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The bad news is we’re dying earlier in Britain – and it’s all down to ‘shit-life syndrome’
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They're all still on page 2 ?
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frog222 wrote:They're all still on page 2 ?
I bet I know someone who is.
Clue: noodly goodness
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Busy this weekend, isn't it?

Not that I'm complaining ;)
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Rees-Mogg said he believed a “Canada-plus” deal, a free trade pact along the lines of the EU’s 2016 agreement with Canada but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links, could command a majority in parliament.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... 9W?rpc=401&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“If the prime minister came to the House of Commons with a Canada-plus style Brexit, people like me would say, ‘Yes, that’s all right,’ and people who are strongly pro-European would say, ‘Yes, that’s better than leaving on World Trade Organisation terms,’” Rees-Mogg said. “So although that wouldn’t be what people might choose, it could command a majority.”
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought this was all about giving "the people" what they asked for.
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And the point about that has always been, it depends on which "people" you ask.
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Re Care ISA

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-scheme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Yorkshire council leaders threaten to pull out of asylum seeker housing scheme


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tinyclanger2 wrote:
Rees-Mogg said he believed a “Canada-plus” deal, a free trade pact along the lines of the EU’s 2016 agreement with Canada but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links, could command a majority in parliament.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... 9W?rpc=401&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“If the prime minister came to the House of Commons with a Canada-plus style Brexit, people like me would say, ‘Yes, that’s all right,’ and people who are strongly pro-European would say, ‘Yes, that’s better than leaving on World Trade Organisation terms,’” Rees-Mogg said. “So although that wouldn’t be what people might choose, it could command a majority.”
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought this was all about giving "the people" what they asked for.
Depends what 'deeper ties' means. No siphoning off any of the free movements. No involvement in agencies without ECJ. No services as part of a free trade deal. No change, really. Just a different flavour of catastrophe.

Sorry - edited to add - but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links which exist as a result of EU membership and come with responsibilities and obligations that will be ongoing and that we have ruled out.
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Good morfternoon.

Page 3 already. Goodness me.


Edited - would you Adam and Eve it? Typo.
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adam wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
Rees-Mogg said he believed a “Canada-plus” deal, a free trade pact along the lines of the EU’s 2016 agreement with Canada but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links, could command a majority in parliament.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... 9W?rpc=401&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“If the prime minister came to the House of Commons with a Canada-plus style Brexit, people like me would say, ‘Yes, that’s all right,’ and people who are strongly pro-European would say, ‘Yes, that’s better than leaving on World Trade Organisation terms,’” Rees-Mogg said. “So although that wouldn’t be what people might choose, it could command a majority.”
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought this was all about giving "the people" what they asked for.
Depends what 'deeper ties' means. No siphoning off any of the free movements. No involvement in agencies without ECJ. No services as part of a free trade deal. No change, really. Just a different flavour of catastrophe.

Sorry - edited to add - but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links which exist as a result of EU membership and come with responsibilities and obligations that will be ongoing and that we have ruled out.
Broadly agree, but still think that JRM seeming to shift ground on his previously "sacred" no-deal Brexit might be significant.
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ing-scheme
Yorkshire council leaders threaten to pull out of asylum seeker housing scheme
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ex ... -1-9307805" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Frances Perraudin North of England reporter
SO kind of the Guardian to send an intrepid reporter to those zones north of Watford .
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Helen Pidd is their NoE Editor, so they've actually got more than one!
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"AnatolyKasparov"]
adam wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
Rees-Mogg said he believed a “Canada-plus” deal, a free trade pact along the lines of the EU’s 2016 agreement with Canada but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links, could command a majority in parliament.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-brita ... 9W?rpc=401&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“If the prime minister came to the House of Commons with a Canada-plus style Brexit, people like me would say, ‘Yes, that’s all right,’ and people who are strongly pro-European would say, ‘Yes, that’s better than leaving on World Trade Organisation terms,’” Rees-Mogg said. “So although that wouldn’t be what people might choose, it could command a majority.”
Sorry I misunderstood. I thought this was all about giving "the people" what they asked for.
Depends what 'deeper ties' means. No siphoning off any of the free movements. No involvement in agencies without ECJ. No services as part of a free trade deal. No change, really. Just a different flavour of catastrophe.
Sorry - edited to add - but with deeper ties given Britain’s already closer trading links which exist as a result of EU membership and come with responsibilities and obligations that will be ongoing and that we have ruled out.
Broadly agree, but still think that JRM seeming to shift ground on his previously "sacred" no-deal Brexit might be significant.
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Also interesting that the Moggster appear to be arguing for the Sovereignty of Parliament ?
Forgetting the "People" when it suits him.
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On R4 just now, interview with Road haulage boss, no sensible answers , understanding from Flailing Grayling !
CG :"Plan for a hard border. " ,
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The only generational tension in social care is in the minds of the ill-informed,with an agenda,something to sell.
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A certain agenda I should say.We all have agendas.
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I found the longer proportion of life healthy in Scotland than elsewhere stat,interesting.Of course you can multi interpretate/question.
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Ford said that it is prepared to “take whatever action is needed” to keep its European business profitable, something likely to be seen as a warning that it could scale back UK operations.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 98131.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is this that Brexit bonanza we've been hearing about?
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Can't get better response to Cohen's article than this IMHO.

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Is Nick saying that language deeply coded with pity & low expectations or explicit in its derision (idiot, imbecile) or having been appropriated as such is the price disabled people must pay to maintain support for care & welfare that regards them as objects, not citizens?
Because that flies in the face of 30 years of campaigns for independent living & inclusion by disabled people globally, where transforming the way disabled people's lives are framed & understood has gone hand in hand with seeking reforms to laws, institutions, transportation etc
If there is a problematic story about language, it's the way government's have sometimes appropriated it to frame policies & actions that undermine rather than aid progress e.g. promoting independence as cover for cutting away support
But it would be a huge step backwards to legitimise the idea that to be legitimately disabled is to be weak and vulnerable,
We understand & call out the deleterious effects of discriminatory language & code on other groups, most notably of late, anti-semitism. It would be curious indeed to regard discriminatory language & codes concerning disabled people as a 'necessary evil'.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:
Ford said that it is prepared to “take whatever action is needed” to keep its European business profitable, something likely to be seen as a warning that it could scale back UK operations.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 98131.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is this that Brexit bonanza we've been hearing about?
I think we've now reached the tipping point - the point at which it's safe for Labour to state it's vision for the UK. Out of the EU? Or within an EU with an aim to work to change it (my own preference) to address some of the issues that many "outers" (a goodly number of whom have now changed, or are changing, their minds) had\have? I think that the EU would be open to constructive change. They know which way the wind is blowing, politically.

I wish I had faith in Jeremy Corbyn to do the necessary - but to be fair to him, he's never given me any cause to have any on the EU issue.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, indeed. One of the biggest fibs in this saga has been "everybody else (apart from Labour) has accepted IHRA in full!!"

Its simply not true.
Yes, indeed.
From Tory government 12 December 2016
Adopting the international definition will ensure that culprits will not be able to get away with being anti-Semitic because the term is ill-defined, or because different organisations or bodies have different interpretations of it. Britain will be one of the first countries to adopt the definition, agreed by the IHRA, an intergovernmental body made up of 31 member countries, in May this year.

It states:
"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... i-semitism" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's it. That's all. There's nothing more internationally recognised than this working definition at this time.
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Good-afternoon, everyone

I've not read the entire thread from the beginning and apologise if my contribution above is incongruent
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The ECB has rejected attempts by banks to establish brass plate operations, telling banks they must move significant operations to the EU to sell their services inside political bloc.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -city-boss" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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HindleA wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc. ... a-44412275

just a week he was bored and decided to venture out to buy a newspaper - only to be surrounded by a gaggle of men wanting his autograph.
Unfortunately, they had mistaken him for US actor Morgan Freeman. Not wanting to let them down, he signed Mr Freeman's name and fled."
Brilliant
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tinyclanger2 wrote:brexit the (2 minute) movie
also brilliant
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PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
Ford said that it is prepared to “take whatever action is needed” to keep its European business profitable, something likely to be seen as a warning that it could scale back UK operations.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 98131.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is this that Brexit bonanza we've been hearing about?
I think we've now reached the tipping point - the point at which it's safe for Labour to state it's vision for the UK. Out of the EU? Or within an EU with an aim to work to change it (my own preference) to address some of the issues that many "outers" (a goodly number of whom have now changed, or are changing, their minds) had\have? I think that the EU would be open to constructive change. They know which way the wind is blowing, politically.

I wish I had faith in Jeremy Corbyn to do the necessary - but to be fair to him, he's never given me any cause to have any on the EU issue.
I still think we are going to have to go out before we can go in again. But in present day politics, little is predictable.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Busy this weekend, isn't it?

Not that I'm complaining ;)
Mr citizen and I visited friends Friday evening
a thoroughly wonderful celebration
very merry indeed
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tinyclanger2 wrote:
Ford said that it is prepared to “take whatever action is needed” to keep its European business profitable, something likely to be seen as a warning that it could scale back UK operations.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 98131.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is this that Brexit bonanza we've been hearing about?
I think we've now reached the tipping point - the point at which it's safe for Labour to state it's vision for the UK. Out of the EU? Or within an EU with an aim to work to change it (my own preference) to address some of the issues that many "outers" (a goodly number of whom have now changed, or are changing, their minds) had\have? I think that the EU would be open to constructive change. They know which way the wind is blowing, politically.

PF --" I wish I had faith in Jeremy Corbyn to do the necessary - but to be fair to him, he's never given me any cause to have any on the EU issue ""
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PF = very naughty
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Wren-Lewis.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/0 ... -idea.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conclusion:
To me the anti-Corbynistas look much like those on the left in US general elections who didn’t vote, or voted for a third party, because they thought both candidates were equally bad. They focus so much on why the Democratic candidate is not ideal, they fail to see that they are much closer to their own position that the Republican. Corbyn may well do some things as PM that you do not like, but he will not stoke immigrant antagonism which fuels racism of all kinds. He will not talk about looking up at the closed blinds of their next-door neighbour sleeping off a life on benefits. He will not be content to see foodbank use explode after people get sanctioned because, for example, they have a heart attack. If you are content for those things to continue to happen, then creating a new party is a good way of ensuring they do.
Sadly I think there are probably a few anti-Corbyn types who are content for those things to continue to happen.
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A lot of time and money gets spent convincing people they're better off voting against their best interests
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Trumpology, 17.13 BST

Trump invokes Nixon and McCarthy in NYT White House counsel report rant
President calls report ‘fake’ but also confirms its substance
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... itter-rant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Eeeek !
The president has an acquaintance in common with McCarthy: the rightwing lawyer Roy Cohn, who worked for the senator before mentoring Trump as he rose to prominence in New York.
I didn't know that, but unsurprising , eh ?
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PorFavor wrote: I think we've now reached the tipping point - the point at which it's safe for Labour to state it's vision for the UK. Out of the EU? Or within an EU with an aim to work to change it (my own preference) to address some of the issues that many "outers" (a goodly number of whom have now changed, or are changing, their minds) had\have? I think that the EU would be open to constructive change. They know which way the wind is blowing, politically.
Apparently the Superdry chap has donated the £1m to the People's Vote campaign to pay for some serious polling, so we might all be finding out a bit more about which way the wind's blowing here.
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I rather suspect i'd FAR prefer going down the pub with this 'Ed' than Jeremy C
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He's recognisably a Human Being , as opposed to that other wanker who spent his life supporting every change.org petition that landed in his in-box .
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Goodnight, everyone
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Noting there has been no support for my post of 5.34 PM .
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 98366.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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frog222 wrote:Noting there has been no support for my post of 5.34 PM .
I don't remember him (Ed Balls) being overly helpful to the other Ed. Which is a big black mark in my book.

Having said that, I believe the time has come for Jeremy Corbyn to wake up and join the real world. He must realise that the fate of a lot of people is riding on him.


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gilsey wrote:Wren-Lewis.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2018/0 ... -idea.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Conclusion:
To me the anti-Corbynistas look much like those on the left in US general elections who didn’t vote, or voted for a third party, because they thought both candidates were equally bad. They focus so much on why the Democratic candidate is not ideal, they fail to see that they are much closer to their own position that the Republican. Corbyn may well do some things as PM that you do not like, but he will not stoke immigrant antagonism which fuels racism of all kinds. He will not talk about looking up at the closed blinds of their next-door neighbour sleeping off a life on benefits. He will not be content to see foodbank use explode after people get sanctioned because, for example, they have a heart attack. If you are content for those things to continue to happen, then creating a new party is a good way of ensuring they do.
Sadly I think there are probably a few anti-Corbyn types who are content for those things to continue to happen.
The attitude of certain people within it to the Labour party has been - in the most extreme cases, for over a decade now - "if we can't run (have) you, then no one else will".

Of course, that thing said by a jealous man often leads to horrible tragedy. That hopefully won't happen here, but if not it won't be for the want of trying by some :twisted:
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frog222 wrote:Noting there has been no support for my post of 5.34 PM .
Would you please explain what it meant? (FTN has the time as 6.34pm).
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Evening from China,New York,Paris,the planet Zog, smoking shelter at an industrial estate in semi Derbyshire
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AFinch wrote:
frog222 wrote:Noting there has been no support for my post of 5.34 PM .
Would you please explain what it meant? (FTN has the time as 6.34pm).
Frog's in France, hence the time difference.
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HindleA wrote:Evening from China,New York,Paris,the planet Zog, smoking shelter at an industrial estate in semi Derbyshire
Is this you showing off your new phone?
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Shit, didn't see the time.

It was though.
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Yes
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Semi rural Derbyshire.I had 15 mins to cram 5 cigs in,have a cup of coffee do the crossword and post
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I'm left to it and basically my own boss,but I'm a strict bastard.
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How come the same vending coffee is 25p here but up to a £1 everywhere else
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MoJ seizes control of Birmingham prison from G4S
Government steps in after report reveals shocking levels of drink, drugs and violence
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