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Thursday 30th August 2018

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Morning
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For a change, Gravity-defying stuff on the finance for fracking —

“” Because so few fracking companies actually make money, the most vital ingredient in fracking isn’t chemicals, but capital, with companies relying on Wall Street’s willingness to fund them. If it weren’t for historically low interest rates, it’s not clear there would even have been a fracking boom at all.””

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/a ... fell-apart" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Still reading !
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Pound boosted by Barnier's Brexit hint

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, but can he vacuum my house?
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Good-morning, everyone
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So investors from the US and around the world have lost scores of billions of dollars building the fracking infrastructure that is still producing 10 or so mbd …

“”Under the Trump administration, the longstanding dream of America’s energy independence has taken a grander, more muscular turn. Secretary of the interior Ryan Zinke talks about opening more federal lands, including national parks, to drilling in order to ensure “energy dominance”.

“We’ve got underneath us more oil than anybody, and nobody knew it until five years ago,” Trump told the press aboard Air Force One in the summer of 2017. “And I want to use it. And I don’t want that taken away by the Paris accord. I don’t want them to say all of that wealth that the United States has under its feet, but that China doesn’t have and that other countries don’t have, we can’t use.”””

I don’t much like that phrase “energy dominance” ! And it’ll be interesting to see for how long production holds up if new wells are actually uneconomic.
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I had to switch off Toady this morning , when the man from the IEA was arguing against restrictions on high-caffeine and -sugar drinks.
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frog222 wrote:I had to switch off Toady this morning , when the man from the IEA was arguing against restrictions on high-caffeine and -sugar drinks.
There was a lot of support for banning under 16 or 18s from buying them on Victoria Derbyshire, especially among teachers!

Waitrose have already stopped selling energy drinks to those under 16 and when I was in a Spar the other day I thought a youngster was refused there but I'm less certain on that. So it probably wouldn't meet much resistance among retailers. If no one can sell them, no one's losing out to someone else and kids will still probably spend their money with them on something else anyway.
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frog222 wrote:I had to switch off Toady this morning , when the man from the IEA was arguing against restrictions on high-caffeine and -sugar drinks.
Typo.......or not?? :)
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http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/26682" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Landmark court ruling on Widowed Parent's Allowance


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Stop talking Britain down!
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Stop talking Britain down!
Makes me think of someone threatening to jump from the top of a very tall building. Talking them down might often be the sensible thing to do!
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The polls have now closed for the Labour party's NEC elections (constituency section)

Voted mostly for leftwingers, but a few exceptions (plus Ann Black) Did not vote for Willsman.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls have now closed for the Labour party's NEC elections (constituency section)Voted mostly for leftwingers, but a few exceptions (plus Ann Black) Did not vote for Willsman.
I see what you mean about Ann Black .
https://labourlist.org/2018/06/why-im-s ... r-the-nec/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their citizenship into question
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls have now closed for the Labour party's NEC elections (constituency section)

Voted mostly for leftwingers, but a few exceptions (plus Ann Black) Did not vote for Willsman.
I voted
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Willow904 wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... ssion=true
U.S. is denying passports to Americans along the border, throwing their citizenship into question
While reading this article, I felt energy drain out of me. Without reason, law and general fairness, we're all in jeopardy.
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Good,the vast majority don't bother.Whatever your position,not good for "democracy" when only the fervent of own choice or none participate.
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Post out of sequence,ahem.
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HindleA wrote:Good,the vast majority don't bother.Whatever your position,not good for "democracy" when only the fervent of own choice or none participate.
I take my rights and responsibilities seriously. I want to keep them both.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-c ... o-go-ahead" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Press release

PM confirms consultation on plastic bag charge to go ahead

Self applied?
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With apologies to plastic bags
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Bags are non gender specific
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Watching plastic straw proposals with interest,especially on potential pernicious consequences for those with no choice.
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Here's a stinker , the Public Schools 'charity' racket --

"" Private schools could have been expected to pay £1.16bn in business rates between 2017 and 2022. As charities, he argues, they will pay just £634.26m, equating to circa £522.31m in savings. Eton, for example, will save an estimated £4.1m in business rates over the next five years. Yet state schools, which are not charities and do not receive fee income, must pay the full rate.

Verkaik also investigates the manner in which private schools, as charities, are exempt from UK tax on most types of investment income, and do not pay corporation tax, which means every penny of profit a public school makes is tax-free. If this income were taxed, it could raise up to £500m a year. ""

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/a ... te-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Cont --
"" “” For all its supposed radicalism, Corbyn’s 2017 manifesto went no further than proposing to abolish the VAT exemption on school fees. The kind of radical upheaval Verkaik would like to see – “a slow and painless euthanasia” whereby the privileges of the private sector are slowly whittled away – is well beyond the mainstream political pale.“”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/ ... aik-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A bit of a rant !
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HindleA wrote:Bags are non gender specific
I disagree. You've not met the bags I live with.
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https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2018/08 ... ombudsman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Local authority failed to explain what direct payments could be used for, ombudsman finds
Surrey council's actions meant young man 'missed opportunity for support reflecting his preferences' as money sat unspent
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Frank Field has resigned from Labour.
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Afternoon all.

So, Field's finally gone.

If Kate Hoey can be persuaded to do likewise then can we finally get to a sensible Labour anti-Brexit policy?
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FWIW I had to transfer remaining amount into my account then write cheque.
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refitman wrote:Frank Field has resigned from Labour.
A de facto independent for years, if not decades.

PS he has actually resigned the Labour whip at Westminster.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
refitman wrote:Frank Field has resigned from Labour.
A de facto independent for years, if not decades.

PS he has actually resigned the Labour whip at Westminster.
The Torygraph are calling him Labour "grandee"

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Wonga collapses into administration

Payday loan company was struggling under a welter of customer compensation claims
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Afternoon all.

So, Field's finally gone.

If Kate Hoey can be persuaded to do likewise then can we finally get to a sensible Labour anti-Brexit policy?
John Mann can bog off an all.
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Frank Field resigns Labour whip, saying Jeremy Corbyn has become 'force for antisemitism in British politics' (at the Indie.)
I read "british irony" as a rather silly (in fact quite meaningless!) off-the-cuff remark , what do others think? OK it may betray one who is not a particularly rigorous thinker, with a mastery of the finer points of language , but no more .
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Willow904 wrote:
frog222 wrote:I had to switch off Toady this morning , when the man from the IEA was arguing against restrictions on high-caffeine and -sugar drinks.
There was a lot of support for banning under 16 or 18s from buying them on Victoria Derbyshire, especially among teachers!

Waitrose have already stopped selling energy drinks to those under 16 and when I was in a Spar the other day I thought a youngster was refused there but I'm less certain on that. So it probably wouldn't meet much resistance among retailers. If no one can sell them, no one's losing out to someone else and kids will still probably spend their money with them on something else anyway.
The Korean govt appears to be less in thrall to the IEA 'Freedum' Lobby and/or the poison-drink manufacturers --
South Korea bans coffee in all schools in bid to improve children's health
Pupils and teachers will no longer be allowed to buy caffeinated drinks

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 14191.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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An early evening for me, all
Have a good night
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frog222 wrote:Frank Field resigns Labour whip, saying Jeremy Corbyn has become 'force for antisemitism in British politics' (at the Indie.)
I read "british irony" as a rather silly (in fact quite meaningless!) off-the-cuff remark , what do others think? OK it may betray one who is not a particularly rigorous thinker, with a mastery of the finer points of language , but no more .
Having read quite a bit about irony-gate, I think he ended up with that comment because he wanted to avoid calling them thugs, or worse, like Streeting did.

It wasn't the smartest thing he's ever said, for sure.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
frog222 wrote:Frank Field resigns Labour whip, saying Jeremy Corbyn has become 'force for antisemitism in British politics' (at the Indie.)
I read "british irony" as a rather silly (in fact quite meaningless!) off-the-cuff remark , what do others think? OK it may betray one who is not a particularly rigorous thinker, with a mastery of the finer points of language , but no more .
Having read quite a bit about irony-gate, I think he ended up with that comment because he wanted to avoid calling them thugs, or worse, like Streeting did.
It wasn't the smartest thing he's ever said, for sure.
It just goes to show how far the IsraelFirsters are prepared to go in the battle against BDS .

I'm not sure what part FF was playing there, but there are plenty of psychoanalysts around !
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OR NOT ?
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frog222 wrote:Frank Field resigns Labour whip, saying Jeremy Corbyn has become 'force for antisemitism in British politics' (at the Indie.)
I read "british irony" as a rather silly (in fact quite meaningless!) off-the-cuff remark , what do others think? OK it may betray one who is not a particularly rigorous thinker, with a mastery of the finer points of language , but no more .
I read it as playing to the gallery, and crass, but not anti-Semitic. Not convinced of the wisdom of claiming anti-Semitism when it's not, but already have heard my kids discussing it along lines of 'it's anti-Semitic to disagree with Jewish people saying something's anti-Semitic', which isn't a good development.
This blog post (from April) was good on subject:
https://ursulahuws.wordpress.com/2018/0 ... itism/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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https://www.politico.eu/article/british ... -semitism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"British Jews’ Corbyn problem
There’s no evidence Labour leader’s anti-Semitic view will turn voters off."
LONDON — Today, Jewish life in Britain is under greater threat than at any time since World War II, and it is because of one man — Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn — and the fetid politics that surround him.
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