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My ex framer of medals asks a question of Paul on twitter.He initially impressed me by having a 1974 calendar because of the same corresponding days/dayes as that year.


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My ex framer of medals asks a question of Paul on twitter.He initially impressed me by having a 1974 calendar because of the same corresponding days/dayes as that year.

:lol:

It's so tedious.

I feel I like Toby Perkins, I know someone who knows him well and I follow him on Twitter.

But if he wants consensus and and end to infighting, why on earth did he Retweet (so it ends up in my Twitter) this from Joan Ryan?
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So lost 92 to 94 votes hardly decisive victory and it never occurred to me that Trots Stalinists Communists and assorted hard left would gave (sic) confidence in me. I have none in them.

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Are the EU wrong to make things easy for May?

I've been thinking this for a while, Wren-Lewis explains it better than I could.

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Are the EU wrong to make things easy for May?

I've been thinking this for a while, Wren-Lewis explains it better than I could.

It still seems to me that there is one issue where vagueness will not be tolerated and that is the Irish Border.

And once you start discussing that, everything else comes to the fore.


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Indeed the headlines in one paper this morning (Indy?) were basically that. Ireland and food names were the two outstanding issues.

One of those can surely be fudged.


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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
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Are the EU wrong to make things easy for May?

I've been thinking this for a while, Wren-Lewis explains it better than I could.

It still seems to me that there is one issue where vagueness will not be tolerated and that is the Irish Border.

And once you start discussing that, everything else comes to the fore.


And although there is a lot of EU talk at the moment about how a deal is there for the taking, there is also a lot of EU talk about the indivisibility of free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. I think what they are saying is 'once you accept our fundamentals we have a deal'. Which is what they've been saying all along.

On the discussion last night about forums (fora?) and responsibilities, we have talked about this in the past on here. I think that our set up, where we say very clearly that all moderation is responsive and reactive and we emphasise that people are responsible for what they post, means that mods and admin are probably in the clear from problematic material posted so long as they always respond appropriately when concerns are raised.

I don't see any possible way that we could have a legal situation where 'admin' in the widest sense had to take proactive responsibility for everything posted - it would not be possible for the big social networks to proactively monitor without doing it automatically - blocking words and phrases and so on - which would block all sorts of legitimate content along the way.

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
gilsey wrote:
Are the EU wrong to make things easy for May?

I've been thinking this for a while, Wren-Lewis explains it better than I could.

It still seems to me that there is one issue where vagueness will not be tolerated and that is the Irish Border.

And once you start discussing that, everything else comes to the fore.

We have to sign up to the backstop and the theory is that May will be able to persuade MPs that that's ok because it won't be needed, because unicorns.
Leaving us with indefinite BINO because they'll never find the unicorn.

The fudge is over the political declaration for a future trade deal, not the Irish border.

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gilsey wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
gilsey wrote:
Are the EU wrong to make things easy for May?

I've been thinking this for a while, Wren-Lewis explains it better than I could.

It still seems to me that there is one issue where vagueness will not be tolerated and that is the Irish Border.

And once you start discussing that, everything else comes to the fore.

We have to sign up to the backstop and the theory is that May will be able to persuade MPs that that's ok because it won't be needed, because unicorns.
Leaving us with indefinite BINO because they'll never find the unicorn.

The fudge is over the political declaration for a future trade deal, not the Irish border.

Will Arlene Foster accept the unicorny backstop?


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It looks like the constituency boundary changes unveiled yesterday are being kicked into the long grass already.

Just go back to 650* MPs with a bit more flexibility in drawing the seats up, for heaven's sake.

(*though I would personally make that 651, I have always thought elected bodies should have an odd number of members if possible)


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
It looks like the constituency boundary changes unveiled yesterday are being kicked into the long grass already.

Just go back to 650* MPs with a bit more flexibility in drawing the seats up, for heaven's sake.

(*though I would personally make that 651, I have always thought elected bodies should have an odd number of members if possible)

As opposed to a number of odd members?


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Universal Credit: 29 April 2013 to 9 August 2018


These experimental statistics cover the number of people on Universal Credit to 9 August 2018

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is currently investigating a discrepancy with the data on duration on Universal Credit.


https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... ugust-2018


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Northamptonshire councillor's firm given £60,000 public cash


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Northamptonshire councillor's firm given £60,000 public cash


That's getting on for £3,000 for each letter of his name. Bargain!


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Lucy Powell showing she is yet another politician who doesn't understand how the internet actually works <sigh>


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Tens of thousands of car factory jobs could be lost under a no deal Brexit, Jaguar boss says

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Surely that's good for lowering unemployment? Mysteriously, it seems to be how things work these days.


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Tens of thousands of car factory jobs could be lost under a no deal Brexit, Jaguar boss says

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Surely that's good for lowering unemployment? Mysteriously, it seems to be how things work these days.


I really don't think anybody takes the "official" jobless figures seriously any more?


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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Tens of thousands of car factory jobs could be lost under a no deal Brexit, Jaguar boss says

(Politics Live, Guardian)


Surely that's good for lowering unemployment? Mysteriously, it seems to be how things work these days.


I really don't think anybody takes the "official" jobless figures seriously any more?



Oh, I'm sure some people do. And a lot of others lend the figures credence by pretending to believe them.


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https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/c ... bour-party


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https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/corbynites-should-form-new-labour-party


That was a curious article ! I prefer this -- a good Gaby at the G–
Labour is finally back in the real world – and taking on the gig economy

“” People just want some security and some basic trade union rights to protect them, McDonnell told Radio 4’s Today programme, and who would disagree? Alarm about the human consequences of insecure working practices is shared on both sides of the warring Labour party. Frank Field, who recently quit to sit as an independent, was a vocal critic of gig employers and McDonnell’s announcement was welcomed by Wes Streeting, who is hardly a Corbyn fan but has plenty of black cab drivers among his Ilford constituents.””

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -mcdonnell

And good John McD :-)


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Serious TUC Crace yesterday —
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -on-brexit

""he key to running any successful conference is to ensure most arguments are kept behind closed doors and that any public debate is sufficiently vaguely worded to achieve consensus amid widespread disagreement. And few do it better than the Trades Union Congress. Proof that the years spent sitting at negotiating tables have not been misspent came in a whistle-stop tour of Brexit on Monday afternoon.""

and today’s —
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... free-trade

"" The event had been billed as “economists for free trade”. The plural turned out to be optimistic, as there was only one economist in the room. And only then if you apply the term economist very loosely. Patrick Minford is a man who has made a career out of being wrong about nearly everything, and he wasn’t about to break the habit of a lifetime. ""


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Written by the "Editor of The New European".

That saved the trouble of actually reading it :twisted:


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WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Donald J. Trump said on Monday that he is “a-hundred-per-cent positive” that an F.B.I. informant infiltrated his 2016 campaign but that he has “absolutely no idea” who that mole might be.

“I’ve been trying to figure out who would have the opportunity and the motive to do something like this,” he said. “But I keep coming up empty.”

“Opportunity-wise, you’d need to be someone who’s in my inner circle and who could get close to me without raising suspicions,” he said. “But, then again, the person would have to be able to suddenly disappear for periods of time and report back to the F.B.I. I can’t think of anyone in a position to do that.”

“As for motive, you’d really have to be out to get me,” Trump added. “Now, I have enemies like anyone else. But I can’t think of anyone I’ve given a reason to really, really hate me.”

Trump said that he would “keep trying to figure out who it is,” but he admitted that, at this point, the informant’s identity was “a total mystery.”

“I’m kind of an amateur detective,” Trump said. “I watch ‘Law & Order,’ I watch all the ‘Law & Order’s. I watch all the shows. But, I’ve got to say, this one has me stumped.”


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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45326487#

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'Rewards don't improve school attendance'


I rather enjoyed this article. The idea that the fascists who like to shame and bully kids who have low attendance regardless of often having very good reasons for their absence such as being ill and stuff appear to have hit on a system that actually discourages the best attendees from attending quite as much as they might have done if their schools hadn't had such an obsessive focus on attendance!

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
It looks like the constituency boundary changes unveiled yesterday are being kicked into the long grass already.

Just go back to 650* MPs with a bit more flexibility in drawing the seats up, for heaven's sake.

(*though I would personally make that 651, I have always thought elected bodies should have an odd number of members if possible)
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Willow904 wrote:
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'Rewards don't improve school attendance'
I rather enjoyed this article. The idea that the fascists who like to shame and bully kids who have low attendance regardless of often having very good reasons for their absence such as being ill and stuff appear to have hit on a system that actually discourages the best attendees from attending quite as much as they might have done if their schools hadn't had such an obsessive focus on attendance!


There's nothing like a good Unintended Consequence ...:-)


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Evil vid here of Asian hornets hovering by a beehive, reminded me of the swarm of helicopters in Apocalypse Now–
https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 32371.html
Many more sightings in the UK ...


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Barnier confronts Raab over discovery of Brexit no-deal letters to EU27

Exclusive: Letters ask states to engage with UK in side deals on transport if Brexit talks fail

Dominic Raab has been reprimanded by Michel Barnier after the EU’s chief negotiator discovered the British government had written to the 27 other member states asking for side negotiations on transport in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

The Brexit secretary was confronted by Barnier during their most recent meeting in Brussels over correspondence sent in recent days to EU capitals by the Department for Transport.

The transport secretary, Chris Grayling, had ordered the letters to be sent despite being told less than two weeks ago by the European commission’s most senior trade official, Violeta Bulc, that without a deal this autumn, there would be no other agreements made to protect the UK economy. (Guardian - my emphasis)


Chris Grayling strikes again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/11/uk-should-remain-eus-closest-ally-after-brexit-may-tells-cabinet


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PF -- Flailing Grayling's fucked up prisons, the probation service and the trains, how about the nuke programme next?
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... f-collapse

No schadenfreude, ours is in a splendid mess too :-)


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On the subject of trains, I meant to post this yesterday. Northern Powerhouse living down to expectations, snafu.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-45435683

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New trains planned for the East Coast mainline do not work properly with track-side equipment, it has emerged.

The Azuma trains cause electromagnetic interference to older signals and points in the north of England.

This means the electro-diesel trains can only run on diesel, travelling much more slowly than their promised speed...................................

The older system used on the line north of York does not work with the new trains when they operate on electric power.

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A bit of Bernie for a change, on Mussadeq (sp) Tonkin and Bush's WMD and the War ON Terra, 17 years old today !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7NP6rtIdZg




Everyone remember where they were on that 911 ?


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One of my friend’s sons was studying at the Lycee Salvador Allende on the anniversary of that other 911.

I don’t expect there are many UK schools with such a name .


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