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Lhttps://www.gov.uk/government/news/gov ... ew-of-rail

Government announces 'root and branch' review of rail

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/one- ... in-england


One person quits smoking every 80 seconds in England

Hardly call that quitting,even I stop longer than that.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep, 2018 6:46 am 
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No one took charge': rail industry and Whitehall rebuked for timetable chaos
Mistakes by Govia, Northern, Network Rail and DfT led to collapsed services and missed chances to avoid disruption

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Following on from one discussion yesterday.

If the Article 50 notice period were to be extended, and we therefore have to take part in the European Parliament elections in May 2019, will Labour / Lib Dem / Green / PC / SNP / +? all stand down and allow cross-party/non-party 'referendum' candidates have a clear run?

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HindleA wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/20/no-one-took-charge-rail-industry-and-dft-lambasted-for-chaos

No one took charge': rail industry and Whitehall rebuked for timetable chaos
Mistakes by Govia, Northern, Network Rail and DfT led to collapsed services and missed chances to avoid disruption

Two words to describe chaos, Chris Grayling.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep, 2018 9:31 am 
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adam wrote:
Following on from one discussion yesterday.

If the Article 50 notice period were to be extended, and we therefore have to take part in the European Parliament elections in May 2019, will Labour / Lib Dem / Green / PC / SNP / +? all stand down and allow cross-party/non-party 'referendum' candidates have a clear run?


Short answer - I doubt it.

But apparently our PM has now said there is no question of our leaving "deadline" being extended. So we can all relax!


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https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ssion=true

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Mis-sold, expensive and overhyped: why our universities are a con
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Not news to anyone here, I suspect, but still worth a read.

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https://twitter.com/LiamFox/status/1042734650731454465

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I have slowly been losing the will to live as I follow the Brexit shambles, this is merely a signpost along the way confirming the direction of travel.


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GetYou wrote:
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I have slowly been losing the will to live as I follow the Brexit shambles, this is merely a signpost along the way confirming the direction of travel.


I saw what you did there :)


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I have consistently said that there will be NO lowering of UK Food Standards. To suggest otherwise is completely untrue, false & #FakeNews – such a shame that people pedal rumours and myths that are clearly wrong
12:18 PM - Sep 20, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)


The man's an idiot. Although we already knew that.


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I have consistently said that there will be NO lowering of UK Food Standards. To suggest otherwise is completely untrue, false & #FakeNews – such a shame that people pedal rumours and myths that are clearly wrong
12:18 PM - Sep 20, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)


The man's an idiot. Although we already knew that.


My carer refers to the footrests on the wheelchair as pedals. Which if were correct then I reckon that I wouldn't need the wheelchair. ;)


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I just looked up peddle on Google:

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promote (an idea or view) persistently or widely.
"the giant con that has been peddled in the Conservative press"
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 45701.html
"Theresa May to accept checks between Northern Ireland and Great Britain in major concession to avoid Brexit no-deal"
Not sure how this fits into the brexit timeline or reality, or is meant to have happened already but hasn't, but it sounded interesting.


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Rafael Behr - stick to writing about shoes, thanks :roll:


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Today in Brexit...
UK: Give us everything we’re asking for or we’ll go No Deal!
EU: No Deal would be catastrophic for you
UK: Exactly! So we hold all the cards. Give us a great deal or we’ll jump right off that cliff!
EU:......
UK: Don’t tempt us! We’re serious
EU: wot


Otherwise known as the scene in Blazing Saddles...


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Sep, 2018 1:43 pm 
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Well, there you go...

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EU now says Chequers won't work, Tory sceptics say Chequers won't work, some Tory Remainers say Chequers won't work .... can Number 10 really now cling on to it?

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EU Council president Donald Tusk on 27 EU leaders Brexit discussion: "Everybody shared the view that while there are posiive elements in the Chequers proposal, the suggested element for economic cooperation will not work, not least because it risks undermining the single market"


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Although I'm a bit doubtful about the Independent article tinybgoat linked to as no one else seems to be running with the story, it does seem to be the only way the Irish Border question can be realistically dealt with if we are to leave the CU and SM as May proposes. She would have to accept at least the possibility of an Irish sea border in order to secure the withdrawal agreement, though could still kick the can down the road by presenting it as a backstop only if nothing else is sorted by 2020 and leave much of the future relationship blank as is feasibly possible (though I have read she's already committed to presenting a declaration of direction of travel when presenting the withdrawal agreement - if true, the contortions necessary to keep it vague enough to command majority support but detailed enough to avoid accusations of presenting a "blind Brexit" will be something to behold!),

No politician in the world would want to be Theresa May right now.

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Willow904 wrote:
No politician in the world would want to be Theresa May right now.

She's there of her own volition, and imo has created the trap she's in by listening to politicians and 'advisors' instead of experts.

I'd like to think that there's a few politicians who'd be brave enough to say, ok, we tried, it can't be done, I'm in favour of remaining, have a go if you think you're hard enough. No idea who.

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Tory MPs bigging up those right wing free market thinktanks ideas about allowing US corps to come in and take over public services is a tactical error.

Yes, I know that the original story was a leak but right now some seem to be saying "And? What's the issue here?"

Labour's position has to be "If this is what a No Deal looks like, then go back to the electorate because they sure as hell didn't vote for this"

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In general I prefer people just to ignore The Scum, but this is superb.
https://twitter.com/SnellArthur/status/ ... 4051108865

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RogerOThornhill wrote:
Labour's position has to be "If this is what a No Deal looks like, then go back to the electorate because they sure as hell didn't vote for this"


I think that is what they are slowly building up to, but it is still a matter of timing.

May's cynical comments today will back up those in Labour who think they should be cautious about this.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Labour's position has to be "If this is what a No Deal looks like, then go back to the electorate because they sure as hell didn't vote for this"


I think that is what they are slowly building up to, but it is still a matter of timing.

May's cynical comments today will back up those in Labour who think they should be cautious about this.

Yes wait for her to bring whatever fig leaf she has to the House.

And then deploy Starmer and Thornberry to demolish it. Shouldn't be hard for them.

[Can you demolish a fig leaf?]


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That went well


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Truly brutal from Crace

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... urg-ordeal

theresa-may-in-denial-after-her-salzburg-ordeal


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Oh, only just seen this one from this morning...

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As a Remain voter, I demand that Chris Grayling is immediately put in sole charge of Brexit.


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Remember that clip from Panorama where Olly Robbins told May that EU response to Chequers was good? How culpable is he in leading her to an outcome which nearly everyone has now rejected?


Time to blame the servants...it is the Tory way after all.

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Thanks for the sharp, witty contributions RoT :twisted:


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I can't quite decide which of the party leaders is looking forward to their conference speech less - I can imagine both sets of party managers wondering whether they could get away with calling the whole thing off...

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Question Time tonight from the delightful Dewsbury.

A well behaved Yorkshire audience this week, no shouty gammons much to my surprise.

For the Conservatives we had Chris Skidmore, apparently vice-chair of the Tory party, who I'd never heard of and who couldn't think of a single thing the government might have done wrong when it came to the fiasco of our rail system, but was sure blaming the actual transport minister Chris Grayling wasn't fair. Other than that he was peculiarly bland. Like a weird Tory robot trying to be as inoffensive as possible.

We also had the lawyer and former chief prosecutor for the North West Nazir Afzal who quite gleefully listed all of Chris Grayling's failings, called for renationalisation of our railways, and a people's vote on any final deal with the EU. Splendid fellow.

For the Lib-Dems we had Vince Cable who said very little besides making a case for a people's vote, at least he didn't have an exotic spresm live on tv.

Labour's offering was Barry Gardiner who was mostly useless, and I'm not blaming him. Most of the programme was taken up talking about Brexit so a representative of the Labour Party he was in a no win situation and had to waffle while trying to fit square bricks into round holes while deciding whether to rescue the Kobayashi Maru.

And finally we have the utter arse that is Camilla Tominey, associate editor of the Daily Telegraph, who seemed wholly unaware of the poll of 25,000 newspaper readers released this week that said half of her own Telegraph readers would now vote remain if they were given the choice again. At one point she genuinely made an equivalence between Muslim's experiencing Islamophobia and Brexiters being mocked for being thick online. And got some applause for it.


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