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Let’s not let @campbellclaret and second ref crowd off the hook either. They’ve undermined Brussels’ incentive to give the UK a fair deal. So long as EUcrats think #Brexit is reversible they have little incentive to negotiate. Campbell et al have served their country v badly


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tinybgoat wrote:
https://sluggerotoole.com/2018/09/21/theresa-may-takes-a-big-share-of-the-blame-for-the-salzburg-but-not-all-of-it-how-do-they-all-walk-back-from-the-cliff/
"Theresa May takes a big share of the blame for the Salzburg but not all of it. How do they all walk back from
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Stephanie Riso, the top economist in Mr Barnier’s team, said it would lead to a “level of erosion in the single market” over a 15-year period roughly equal to the impact of a “no deal” exit for the UK – or 8-9 per cent of GDP.
In other words, it would leave the EU carrying the costs of the British vote to leave. The numbers were so toxic that when the British got wind of the presentation, they were forced to intervene “at the highest” level to suppress their publication.
The stay of execution was designed, on the EU side, to give the British a chance to prove that Chequers wasn’t the threat they feared.

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So the joint line - from May to Johnson to Davis - is that literally none of them had the brains to understand what the December agreement meant?

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Here I am sitting in an Italian castle in the middle of a beautiful & abundantly fruitful landscape straight out of a Renaiisance painting, & vaguely aware of crumbling shitstorm back home. And you know what? This is all the Tories' fault. They've been in charge for 27 out of the last 40 years, and their ideology if not their methods was still there for the remaining 13. And they've trashed the country they claim to love but whose people they clearly despise. Through dogmatism, arrogance, complacency, crankery & greed they've comprehensively trashed Britain, fucked it and its citizens to hell and back. We need to hold these depraved cretins to account, ban their cultist party, sequester all their funds &, if we can be bothered to make a fist of trying to salvage this geographical entity as a functioning state put its leaders on trial. I think I actually mean that. This has now got so far beyond embarrassment it's genuinely turning into a national death wish to put up with their vile mad shit any longer. End of rant.


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It's because the EU is no bowl of cherries many of us wish to go. There are no cherries to pick. Now we pay for our own cake & for other countries' cake too. I look forward to paying just for our own cake, making more of it at home. Then we can have better cake & more prosperity.
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It's because the EU is no bowl of cherries many of us wish to go. There are no cherries to pick. Now we pay for our own cake & for other countries' cake too. I look forward to paying just for our own cake, making more of it at home. Then we can have better cake & more prosperity.
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And yes, I know the answer already...bizarre.

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It's because the EU is no bowl of cherries many of us wish to go. There are no cherries to pick. Now we pay for our own cake & for other countries' cake too. I look forward to paying just for our own cake, making more of it at home. Then we can have better cake & more prosperity.
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Let’s not let @campbellclaret and second ref crowd off the hook either. They’ve undermined Brussels’ incentive to give the UK a fair deal. So long as EUcrats think #Brexit is reversible they have little incentive to negotiate. Campbell et al have served their country v badly


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So, by the same logic, it's partly the fault of nearly half the population (or more accurately, those who voted) voting remain in the first place?
edit: aargh i meant them wot voted, obv. (honest).


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People are having some fun with Redwood's old tweets...

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/ ... 6765756417

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I've just re-read the article in which this quote from Theresa May appears -

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“Yesterday Donald Tusk said our proposals would undermine the single market. He didn’t explain how in any detail . . ." (Guardian)


Ye Gods. I've got a little book which covers EU rules, laws, treaties and the like. It's a sort of primer or idiot's guide. (It's now about six years old - so not bang up to date, granted). Should I be kind and send it to her? With respect, obviously.


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Constance has never forgiven her for her "because of cat" lie when Home Secretary.

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"Donald Tusk: May knew EU objections to UK Brexit plan"
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“We studied the Chequers proposals in all seriousness,” Tusk said. “The results of our analysis have been known to the British side in every detail for many weeks. After intensive consultations with member states, we decided that for the good of the negotiations, and out of respect for the efforts of P.M. May, we will treat the Chequers plan as a step in the right direction.”


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Both sides should be ‘careful’ in Brexit talks, says Commission chief." :shock:


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Six local council byelections this week:

Epsom and Ewell DC - Residents hold in the borough which has been a stronghold for them since before WW2, and a strong performance as they took over two thirds of the vote - an increase of 8 points since 2015. That election was the best Tory performance here to date, but they were still beaten by over 2 to 1 as the Residents took all three seats as always, and they dropped five points to 20 per cent now - making it a defeat by over 3 to 1 this time. LibDems the "best" of the also rans, getting double the support of Labour who dropped to under 4 per cent (though this was still significantly better than the mere 12 votes they amassed in a previous 2005 byelection in this ward)

Wyre Forest DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they took all three councillors in 2015 come the all-out elections after boundary changes and have comfortably defended on two occasions since. Three years ago the localist Health Concern party took second place and repeated that in 2016, but this May they dropped to third and now absented themselves entirely - this may have helped Labour to advance to over a third of the vote and whilst the Tory share also increased there was a modest pro-Labour swing overall. LibDems also put on support, not far ahead of the Greens who also went up despite finishing last on 6%.

East Devon DC - a hold for the localist East Devon Alliance with close to 60% of the vote in a ward where they topped the poll in 2015 even though they had to share the two seats after the Tories narrowly held the second spot. This is a relatively recent development - in 2003 and 2007 the Tories easily won both seats here with their sole opposition coming from UKIP - and it was a surprise when the only Independent easily topped the poll in 2011 ahead of the two Tory hopefuls. Tories down around 10 points to a third of the vote this time - but it was notable the top two scored over 90% between them despite three other major party hopefuls - LibDems on 4%, then Greens and finally Labour with just 1.6%; it maybe didn't help that they were the only candidate from well outside the ward.

Winchester DC - Tory hold in a normally very safe ward where they took two thirds of the vote taking both seats in the 2016 all-out elections following boundary changes and scored roughly 70% this May. However, a swing of over 20% to the second placed LibDems made it close this time and the Tory share dropped to not much over half - a LibDem win would have cost the Tories overall control of the council, and though the blue team averted that for now this surely does not bode well for their prospects next year. Labour mercilessly squeezed in the circumstances to less than 2% though they still managed to beat the Greens.

Suffolk Coastal DC - Tory hold in probably the last contest in this council's present form (it merges with neighbouring Waveney come next year's elections) and again their majority was cut by the second placed LibDems who advanced by 16 points to 40 per cent - likely helped by the absence of a Labour candidate after they had narrowly come third behind the LibDems three years ago - when this single member ward was created following boundary changes. Greens took Labour's place as the third candidate this time, but scored a somewhat more modest 9%.

Luton - the one Labour defence this week was a hold for them, though their share dropped by double figures to a little under half - though since the second placed Tories had an almost identical fall this meant no return for them here after they had been close behind Labour in 2003 and taken one of the two seats in 2007, and despite losing it in 2011 they have remained competitive since. Indeed, they were almost caught for second by the LibDems who scored 24% here in their first showing here since 2007 - completing a generally decent set of results for them.

Next week sees September end a bit more quietly, with three contests.


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"John Redwood’s Brexit take invited ridicule and these people happily obliged"


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"John Redwood’s Brexit take invited ridicule and these people happily obliged"


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Nest week's looking like a whole lot of fun already...

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, @Telegraph splash tomorrow: Theresa May heading for massive Brexit Monday. In the morning David Davis and Boris Johnson unveil a rival Brexit plan; in the afternoon her Cabinet will demand a Plan B to replace Chequers. And Cabinet ministers might quit if she doesn't.


*might* = *when they come to think of how much they will lose (salary, ministerial car etc, probably won't*

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People are having some fun with Redwood's old tweets...

https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/ ... 6765756417

It was indeed him.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Six local council byelections this week:

Epsom and Ewell DC - Residents hold in the borough which has been a stronghold for them since before WW2, and a strong performance as they took over two thirds of the vote - an increase of 8 points since 2015. That election was the best Tory performance here to date, but they were still beaten by over 2 to 1 as the Residents took all three seats as always, and they dropped five points to 20 per cent now - making it a defeat by over 3 to 1 this time. LibDems the "best" of the also rans, getting double the support of Labour who dropped to under 4 per cent (though this was still significantly better than the mere 12 votes they amassed in a previous 2005 byelection in this ward)

Wyre Forest DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they took all three councillors in 2015 come the all-out elections after boundary changes and have comfortably defended on two occasions since. Three years ago the localist Health Concern party took second place and repeated that in 2016, but this May they dropped to third and now absented themselves entirely - this may have helped Labour to advance to over a third of the vote and whilst the Tory share also increased there was a modest pro-Labour swing overall. LibDems also put on support, not far ahead of the Greens who also went up despite finishing last on 6%.

East Devon DC - a hold for the localist East Devon Alliance with close to 60% of the vote in a ward where they topped the poll in 2015 even though they had to share the two seats after the Tories narrowly held the second spot. This is a relatively recent development - in 2003 and 2007 the Tories easily won both seats here with their sole opposition coming from UKIP - and it was a surprise when the only Independent easily topped the poll in 2011 ahead of the two Tory hopefuls. Tories down around 10 points to a third of the vote this time - but it was notable the top two scored over 90% between them despite three other major party hopefuls - LibDems on 4%, then Greens and finally Labour with just 1.6%; it maybe didn't help that they were the only candidate from well outside the ward.

Winchester DC - Tory hold in a normally very safe ward where they took two thirds of the vote taking both seats in the 2016 all-out elections following boundary changes and scored roughly 70% this May. However, a swing of over 20% to the second placed LibDems made it close this time and the Tory share dropped to not much over half - a LibDem win would have cost the Tories overall control of the council, and though the blue team averted that for now this surely does not bode well for their prospects next year. Labour mercilessly squeezed in the circumstances to less than 2% though they still managed to beat the Greens.

Suffolk Coastal DC - Tory hold in probably the last contest in this council's present form (it merges with neighbouring Waveney come next year's elections) and again their majority was cut by the second placed LibDems who advanced by 16 points to 40 per cent - likely helped by the absence of a Labour candidate after they had narrowly come third behind the LibDems three years ago - when this single member ward was created following boundary changes. Greens took Labour's place as the third candidate this time, but scored a somewhat more modest 9%.

Luton - the one Labour defence this week was a hold for them, though their share dropped by double figures to a little under half - though since the second placed Tories had an almost identical fall this meant no return for them here after they had been close behind Labour in 2003 and taken one of the two seats in 2007, and despite losing it in 2011 they have remained competitive since. Indeed, they were almost caught for second by the LibDems who scored 24% here in their first showing here since 2007 - completing a generally decent set of results for them.

Next week sees September end a bit more quietly, with three contests.

Thanks and also to TheSkysGoneOut for the equally entertaining and insightful Question Time round up. Both unmissable :-)


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, @Telegraph splash tomorrow: Theresa May heading for massive Brexit Monday. In the morning David Davis and Boris Johnson unveil a rival Brexit plan; in the afternoon her Cabinet will demand a Plan B to replace Chequers. And Cabinet ministers might quit if she doesn't.


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I thought that her speech was very UKIP, actually. Hedging her bets-esque.


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The Mail has "The May Ultimatum"

Express: "May's Finest Hour" (which at least is open to an alternative interpretation)


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I thought that her speech was very UKIP, actually. Hedging her bets-esque.

Indeed - as you can see she got the UKIP headlines!


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Can I just try out a lyrics type joke?

"You're so Venn, you probably think this set is about you."

Even slightly funny? How to improve?


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I used to appear nightly on stage-sweeping it.
I thought it was witty but I enjoy a good pun.

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How did it go down in China,did it translate?

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Can I just try out a lyrics type joke?

"You're so Venn, you probably think this set is about you."

Even slightly funny? How to improve?


"You're so Venn, you probably think this set is A⊆ Bout {you}."
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ember-2018

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Update to HASC on Windrush: September 2018

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