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Good one from M.Thornhill last night , Tory MP ignorant that huge quantities of fruit and veg already come in with 0% tariffs, through EU FTA's ---

https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/statu ... 8754215941


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Morning all.

Adam Bienkov did the labour Leave session last night. This is an absolute corker...

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/ ... 8523719680

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Kate Hoey says the reason so many young people support staying in the EU is because they have been indoctrinated by Remain-supporting university lecturers. #lab2018


I don't know whether to :lol: or :roll:

The woman is just a total crank.

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Laugh or cry situation at the whole Conference schizo manoeuverings on brexit —

” For many Labour people, Brexit was one of twin traumas in 2016, the other being Donald Trump’s election. The most effective insurgency against the European status quo today is racist and nationalistic.

And so, regardless of any noble interior motive, the practical result of tagging along with an anti-EU project is tactical alignment with a wrecking enterprise that has Steve Bannon as its guru, Boris Johnson as its British proconsul and Russia as its immediate strategic beneficiary”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... eve-bannon

Rowson is also not so fond of fudge -- https://twitter.com/MartinRowson/status ... 4018820097


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Mitch Benn's written a little song.
https://twitter.com/MitchBenn/status/10 ... 0137186304

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Oh for heavens sake frog, citing Rafael Behr as an oracle is a bit much.


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Good one from M.Thornhill last night , Tory MP ignorant that huge quantities of fruit and veg already come in with 0% tariffs, through EU FTA's ---

https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/statu ... 8754215941


Yes - I saw that last night, and thought then, "I must transfer that across!". I forgot, of course.


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Standing ovation for Starmer after he tells Labour conference that if the PMs deal fails and she refuses a General Election: “options must include campaigning for a Public Vote and nobody is ruling out Remain as an option”.

Feels like a significant moment in UK politics/ Brexit

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PostPosted: Tue 25 Sep, 2018 11:23 am 
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So its still keeping all options open then, no actual change.


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Looks like it.

Given the hopeless muddle the government is in where nobody - even after two years - knows quite what the hell is going on, the last thing Labour needs is to be tied to one option.

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Looks like it.

Given the hopeless muddle the government is in where nobody - even after two years - knows quite what the hell is going on, the last thing Labour needs is to be tied to one option.


As I have been saying all along.......


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From the G business live
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The European Medicines Agency, the European drug regulator, is moving from London to Amsterdam next year, but is having trouble getting out of its 25-year lease at 30 Churchill Place in Canary Wharf, where it occupies 10 floors.

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The European Medicines Agency is making a grim prognosis for London’s property market. The EU’s drug watchdog is using an arcane legal manoeuvre to try to get out of a lease on its UK headquarters. If successful, the case could set a dangerous precedent. Either way, London landlords should be worried...

The EMA is deploying a rarely used legal argument that dates back to the 19th century, known as “frustration”. That allows parties to cancel a contract if an unforeseen event renders it impossible to fulfill. In one case, a plaintiff used frustration to terminate a lease after the cancellation of Edward VII’s coronation. If the EMA is successful, other tenants may follow.

It looks like a long shot. Canary Wharf can argue that the existence of Article 50 in the Treaty of Lisbon, which was signed in 2007, shows that Brexit was not an unforeseen event. And UK politicians made the case for such a referendum long before the lease was first agreed in 2011. Nick Clegg, the former leader of the Liberal Democrats party, argued for a vote in 2008.

The EMA has other options. Although the lease has no break clause, it does allow the drug regulator to sublet the space to other tenants. The EMA is exploring that option, according to one person familiar with the matter.

The snag is that Brexit means there is little demand for large office spaces. Banks are already moving staff out of London, with 75,000 workers likely to leave

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PorFavor wrote:
frog222 wrote:
Good one from M.Thornhill last night , Tory MP ignorant that huge quantities of fruit and veg already come in with 0% tariffs, through EU FTA's ---

https://twitter.com/Jim_Cornelius/statu ... 8754215941


Yes - I saw that last night, and thought then, "I must transfer that across!". I forgot, of course.


My lovely tall MP.

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Favourite things found in the lastest 'No Deal' notices so far...

On Protected Geographical Indicator food products...

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The UK would no longer be required to recognise EU GI status. EU producers would be able to apply for UK GI status. ... After we leave the EU, we anticipate that all current UK GIs will continue to be protected by the EU’s GI schemes.


On Haulage - there are around 75,000 UK commercial haulage vehicles currently undertaking around 300,000 journeys in Europe each year (yes, that second figure sounds very low to me too, it's from this Guardian article from this February, I can't find other figures).

In the event of no deal, the government anticipates there will be around 3,750 permits to drive in Europe available to the UK haulage industry. Around a thousand will be annual, around 2,500 monthly and around 250 weekly. So that's a reduction to around 5% of currently availability, and most of them will leave you unable to plan for a journey a month in advance.

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I agree - the 300,000 figure does seem very low.


Edited to add - is there a zero missing, perhaps? It would make more sense, arithmetically.


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PorFavor wrote:
I agree - the 300,000 figure does seem very low.


Edited to add - is there a zero missing, perhaps? It would make more sense, arithmetically.


Other things I've found suggest about 10,000 haulage vehicles go through Dover each day. 10,000 x 365 days = 3,650,000. So what you say sounds around about right.

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US president Donald Trump has arrived [at the UN General Assembly].

“Today I stand before the United Nations general assembly to share the extraordinary progress we made,” he says.

He says his administration has accomplished in less than two years more than any other administration.

There’s a slight rumbling in the hall, then he pauses to say “it’s true,” resulting in the first big laugh of the day from the foreign dignitaries.

Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... orea-iran-


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You gotta larf, eh.


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This herald anything more than anthropogenic climate change?


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It's healthy, in no distress and eating well
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I requested a dragon


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citizenJA wrote:
I requested a dragon


Makes a change from unicorns, I suppose.


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This is hilarious. She's really lost it.

Though I appreciate her slapping down hard Brexit, it's hard to take her seriously when it's at least more doable than her madcap Chequers delusion.

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HindleA is conspicuous by his absence today.


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PorFavor wrote:
HindleA is conspicuous by his absence today.


I thought he posted something first thing but it's not there now. He often deletes things but I could just as easily have imagined it. Something UC related?

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HindleA is conspicuous by his absence today.


I thought he posted something first thing but it's not there now. He often deletes things but I could just as easily have imagined it. Something UC related?


Yes - I think you're right about the earlier post. I thought I'd imagined it, too!


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HindleA & Sky'sGoneOut flew out the nest
looking for dragons


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citizenJA wrote:
HindleA & Sky'sGoneOut flew out the nest
looking for dragons

mindboggling.
in a good way.

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https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-no-brexit-deal-better-than-a-canada-style-one-11508434

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Theresa May: No Brexit deal better than a Canada-style one


This is hilarious. She's really lost it.

Though I appreciate her slapping down hard Brexit, it's hard to take her seriously when it's at least more doable than her madcap Chequers delusion.


Me too.

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Labour 'likely to scrap universal credit system'

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In one of the more remarkable moments in the history of the annual UN summit, the chamber broke out in spontaneous laughter at Trump’s claim that “in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... sm-america


Trump and Brexit - go together like a ....?

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Hmmm........"go together like s**t and s**te"?? :D


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“If having those EU regulations stopped good trade deals, how come the EU has done trade deals with countries around the rest of the world?” May said, a comment likely to raise some eyebrows among some strongly pro-Brexit Tory MPs. (Guardian)


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Theresa May pledges lowest business tax rate in G20 post Brexit


Yes less money for public spending - that's exactly what UK needs.

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Yes less money for public spending - that's exactly what UK needs.


"OK so you won't make any money in the UK coz the economy's tanked...but at least we cut the tax rate on what little you've made!"

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May on C4 News is still talking about her Chequers proposal as though it is a viable way forward - as though it is the best way forward. She points out that an FTA brings with it requirements about regulatory alignment and so on and makes no link between bad FTAs with the EU and good FTAs she imagines we can make with the rest of the world.

She is completely delusional. Completely. There is nothing else. I know the world are busy laughing at Trump but I wonder if they just pity us.

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