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Morning all.

Quiet start here! Just come back from taking Y5 swimming...

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No evidence that cuts in UK corporate rates have boosted investment. And reducing them to the 'lowest in the G20' will leave government with less money to spend on the public goods - education, health care, infrastructure etc - that firms rely on.


Correct - and there's no evidence that it boosts tax receipts either. Correlation ain't causation!

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It is quiet innit, everybody just waiting for Jez's big speech?


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PostPosted: Wed 26 Sep, 2018 11:03 am 
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I'm doing a local history talk this afternoon so sadly I will miss it.

Be interesting if he touches on anti-Semitism...

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I expect it might get a brief mention. Maybe more interesting is the pre-speech spin that he will be majoring on "green" stuff?


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Morning all.

Quiet start here! Just come back from taking Y5 swimming...

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No evidence that cuts in UK corporate rates have boosted investment. And reducing them to the 'lowest in the G20' will leave government with less money to spend on the public goods - education, health care, infrastructure etc - that firms rely on.


Correct - and there's no evidence that it boosts tax receipts either. Correlation ain't causation!

Did you see the tweet saying Panasonic are moving their HQ to Europe, partly because of Brexit, but mainly because Japan is treating/going to treat any country with CT rates below 20% as a tax haven? When I come across it again I'll post it here.

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https://www.bna.com/insight-panasonic-r ... 014482733/
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Brexit or no Brexit, the tax regime in the U.K. is potentially problematic for Japanese companies, after Japan announced an overhaul of its controlled foreign company (“CFC”) rules in 2017.

CFC rules are widely used by jurisdictions around the world to prevent the artificial deferral of corporate tax by using entities established in low tax jurisdictions.

Without CFC rules, Company A, incorporated in a high tax jurisdiction, could establish a subsidiary, Company B, in a low tax jurisdiction and shelter profits from tax. CFC rules dissuade this type of activity by attributing the income of the low tax subsidiary to the parent company on a current basis.

The Japanese government announced in January 2017 that it would be overhauling its CFC regime, taking into account the recommendations of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development base erosion and profit shifting (“BEPS”) Action 3.

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Decent speech thus far......

Corbyn has improved quite a bit as a speaker in the past 3 years.


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Hmm, not sure about The Red Flag & Jerusalem being followed by 'Children of the Revolution' ;)


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BBC having to be not totally dismissive of it, must hurt.


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Apparently there were 5 speakers and 7 audience members at a Progress event earlier.


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If you deliver a deal that includes a customs union and no hard border in Ireland, if you protect jobs, people’s rights at work and environmental and consumer standards - then we will support that sensible deal.


Such a deal would involve NI remaining in the single market as proposed by the EU, thus there will still be a border in the Irish sea, even if we remain in a Customs Union of some sorts. At least, that's my understanding.

This is the circle that Theresa May can't square for very obvious (DUP) reasons, but would Labour fare any better in selling this plan? Is it any less likely to end up in a break up of the United Kingdom? There are benefits to a customs union, but they are most beneficial to a manufacturing country such as Turkey. We will still lose all the economic benefits of the single market. What advantage is Labour offering to the country in return for losing those economic benefits, beyond appeasing anti-immigrant leave voters?

Corbyn handily outlines the things the Tory party will be freed up to indulge in by a hard Brexit, a regulatory race to the bottom, but there's little here for left wing voters other than a "we won't stuff the country up quite as badly as the Tories would". Utterly depressing.

Edited to add I mean Brexit is utterly depressing, not Labour!

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In the midst of Brexit lies and chaos, some people have not lost their sense of humour:

http://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2018/09/tory-mp-fruit-tariff-lies-busted.html

https://twitter.com/i/moments/1044617621054922753


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Apparently there were 5 speakers and 7 audience members at a Progress event earlier.


Anybody asked Mr Angell for comment?


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ent-speech

Crace ! JC for more than an hour, you lucky people .


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When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/26/corbyn-waits-for-himself-to-arrive-before-delivering-confident-speech

Crace ! JC for more than an hour, you lucky people .


Its an hour that passed fairly quickly tbh, as I said earlier this is one area where he has changed since 2015 - for the better.


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When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?


I think it's meant to be a sort of reciprocal clap - but, yes, it is a bit weird. People seem to applaud themselves in lots of different settings nowadays. I think it's an American gameshow import.


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When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?
I think it's meant to be a sort of reciprocal clap - but, yes, it is a bit weird. People seem to applaud themselves in lots of different settings nowadays. I think it's an American gameshow import.

Being pre-NHS I had wondered if it was a question of advancing age, general curmudgeonliness :-)


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Well well

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/je ... 56211.html

Corbyn looks like a PM in waiting.


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frog222 wrote:
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When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?
I think it's meant to be a sort of reciprocal clap - but, yes, it is a bit weird. People seem to applaud themselves in lots of different settings nowadays. I think it's an American gameshow import.

Being pre-NHS I had wondered if it was a question of advancing age, general curmudgeonliness :-)


The NHS would be my first port of call if I were suffering from reciprocal clap.


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When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?


I think it's meant to be a sort of reciprocal clap - but, yes, it is a bit weird. People seem to applaud themselves in lots of different settings nowadays. I think it's an American gameshow import.

Ed Miliband disliked getting applause; he'd make slight stop-clapping-for-me gestures
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Well well

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/je ... 56211.html

Corbyn looks like a PM in waiting.


Not what that outfit's "star columnist" Ren-tool said :lol:


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frog222 wrote:
When did people begin to clap themselves when they arrived on a stage ?


Ever since Americans.

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Rod Liddle and JRM on Question Time this week? Good luck Sky.


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Btw it looks like KRM's bid to take full control of Sky is going to end in dismal failure. No thanks to our actual government, of course.


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Different Skys I presume! ;-)


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I see we have appointed a minister for rationing.

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I see we have appointed a minister for rationing.


How can that possibly be - a No Deal will go so well - everyone says so!

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