Saturday 29th & Sunday 30th September 2018
Posted: Sat 29 Sep, 2018 9:47 am
Morning all.
Corbyn warned by EU that Labour rejecting the withdrawal agreement, presuming May agrees one, will risk a no deal Brexit. Stances can change, of course, options can open up, but this underlines what I've been saying - approving a WA guarantees transition and the possibility of a mutually agreeable future relationship. Rejecting it guarantees nothing and makes the worst possible outcome - no deal - more likely. It's a high stakes gamble. Not a choice I would like to make.May under microscope as EU searches for signs of Brexit cooperation
Selmayr, who is in charge of no-deal preparations and who will take control of the trade talks after Brexit day on 29 March 2019, wanted to keep open the lines of communication and keep talking. But if Selmayr was the good cop, Barnier, in the next hour-long meeting, proved to be very much the hard-hitting bad cop, willing to crack some heads to get a result. Corbyn was told that his stance made a no-deal Brexit more likely than not, sources in Brussels disclosed.
Voting against a WA does risk a no deal Brexit, though. That's just a simple, unbiased fact. And there's no reason not to think the EU are negotiating in good faith and are being straight with us on their red lines and what is and isn't possible. They will put the integrity of the single market and the stability of the EU first. Why would they not? I'm only looking at this from the perspective of Corbyn saying he is committed to Brexit. If that is true, rejecting the WA would not make sense. Rejecting the WA only makes sense if you want to remain in the EU and there's a realistic path to achieving that. I can't see one, though, so preventing a hard Brexit, for me, is the priority. It would have been great if Labour had won the last election, but they didn't. This is the Tories' show and Labour's options are limited and mostly bad because of that. I'm sure the EU would love it if we changed our minds and decided not to leave and would accommodate that, but do you really think Labour will fight a snap election promising that? And win one with that in the manifesto? I suspect not, so Labour would reject the withdrawal bill in the hope of winning an election to then leave the EU with pretty much the same WA as they rejected. If they pull it off, great, we'll have a Labour government, but if they don't pull it off, if they don't get an election, if they don't win it......AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wouldn't trust anything Boffey writes, tbh. Terrible journalist and blatantly biased.
Bit late to start telling what many of us already knew\suspected now. Still, better late than (hopefully not) too late.US groups raise millions to support rightwing UK thinktanks
Anonymous donors have given $5.6m since 2008 to groups linked to four thinktanks
Millions of dollars has been raised from anonymous US donors to support British rightwing thinktanks that are among the most prominent in the Brexit debate.
American donors are giving money to US fundraising bodies that pass the donations to four thinktanks in Britain. A Guardian analysis has established that $5.6m (£4.3m) has been donated to these US entities since 2008.
The Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), the Adam Smith Institute, Policy Exchange and the Legatum Institute have all received financial support from US backers via this route.
The disclosure leaves the thinktanks facing questions as to whether wealthy Americans have undue influence in British politics, particularly over the form Brexit takes. (Guardian)
Was meaning to post that one earlier, thanks PF !PorFavor wrote:Bit late to start telling what many of us already knew\suspected now. Still, better late than (hopefully not) too late.US groups raise millions to support rightwing UK thinktanks
Anonymous donors have given $5.6m since 2008 to groups linked to four thinktanks
Millions of dollars has been raised from anonymous US donors to support British rightwing thinktanks that are among the most prominent in the Brexit debate.
American donors are giving money to US fundraising bodies that pass the donations to four thinktanks in Britain. A Guardian analysis has established that $5.6m (£4.3m) has been donated to these US entities since 2008.
The Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), the Adam Smith Institute, Policy Exchange and the Legatum Institute have all received financial support from US backers via this route.
The disclosure leaves the thinktanks facing questions as to whether wealthy Americans have undue influence in British politics, particularly over the form Brexit takes. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... thinktanks
I've no cake to offer, I'm afraid, so you'll have to make do with a hug.citizenJA wrote:I've been suffering from insomnia, I've got a something wrong with a tooth (I've a dental appointment next week) and my keyboard's space bar isn't functioning as it should making my attempts to communicate that much harder. Little things for me personally against a backdrop of Tory government's minister for rationing in 2018 in preparation for their Brexit.
For those who haven't seen Dawn Foster's tweets on Twitter about the Tory app.Senior Tory ministers' mobile numbers exposed in serious conference app security flaw
Posted at 3:08PMcitizenJA wrote:Good morning, everyone
tole you I wernt sleepin goodAnatolyKasparov wrote:Posted at 3:08PMcitizenJA wrote:Good morning, everyone
They at least managed to get to Wednesday, last year, before the conference went tits-up. It hasn't even started this time.Willow904 wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ssion=true
For those who haven't seen Dawn Foster's tweets on Twitter about the Tory app.Senior Tory ministers' mobile numbers exposed in serious conference app security flaw
I'm a bit baffled by his idea that one or the other of these will happen. Much more likely that instead of being split in 2, we'd be split in 3 or even 4.would BINO heal the wounds opened up by the original referendum or would it satisfy no one?
A positive argument would start by suggesting that most Remainers will not mind losing any say in the EU, because they would be so relieved that we had avoided a hard Brexit. The people who should be worried about this loss of sovereignty are Leavers, but they will be more concerned with actually leaving. And both groups will be relieved it is all over.
The argument against is that BINO is clearly inferior with being a member of the EU, so Remainers will know we have done something that is clearly nonsensical. Leavers on the other hand will be convinced (by the Brexit press in particular) that this result is a sham Brexit, and therefore a betrayal of the original referendum, which is roughly how May herself has described it. As time goes on both sides will forget that the government was fulfilling a democratic mandate, and instead blame it for agreeing a Brexit that nobody likes.
I don’t see how it is possible to know which of these outcomes will come to pass, which in turn means a government that enacts Brexit is risking a lot.
Apless Tories rule !PorFavor wrote:@'Apless Conservative MPs?
A hard Brexit isn't going to satisfy many people either, though, because we'll be noticeably worse off. Whatever kind of Brexit you have, a certain percentage of the population will immediately start campaigning to go back in and a certain percentage of the population will complain it's not the Brexit they voted for.gilsey wrote:Wren-Lewis on the political risks of BINO, this is part of the conclusion.
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;I'm a bit baffled by his idea that one or the other of these will happen. Much more likely that instead of being split in 2, we'd be split in 3 or even 4.would BINO heal the wounds opened up by the original referendum or would it satisfy no one?
A positive argument would start by suggesting that most Remainers will not mind losing any say in the EU, because they would be so relieved that we had avoided a hard Brexit. The people who should be worried about this loss of sovereignty are Leavers, but they will be more concerned with actually leaving. And both groups will be relieved it is all over.
The argument against is that BINO is clearly inferior with being a member of the EU, so Remainers will know we have done something that is clearly nonsensical. Leavers on the other hand will be convinced (by the Brexit press in particular) that this result is a sham Brexit, and therefore a betrayal of the original referendum, which is roughly how May herself has described it. As time goes on both sides will forget that the government was fulfilling a democratic mandate, and instead blame it for agreeing a Brexit that nobody likes.
I don’t see how it is possible to know which of these outcomes will come to pass, which in turn means a government that enacts Brexit is risking a lot.
This then common Army expression from fifty years ago has unsurprisingly been running through my mind for some time . I googled it to see if I was the only one ...@CantyPhilWillow904 wrote: A hard Brexit isn't going to satisfy many people either, though, because we'll be noticeably worse off. Whatever kind of Brexit you have, a certain percentage of the population will immediately start campaigning to go back in and a certain percentage of the population will complain it's not the Brexit they voted for.
I've been looking forward to the Conservative Conference on the basis that a good laugh is more or less guaranteed. And they're off to a flying start (or pre-start). But after the laughter is over - then what? That's what worries me.AnatolyKasparov wrote:It really is lets all laugh at the Tories time, lets hope that continues for the next week
Would worry me too if I were the worrying sort .... ..... .... but of course you're right . The EXTREME 1930's Berlin satires on 'Itler and co did not change history either .PorFavor wrote:I've been looking forward to the Conservative Conference on the basis that a good laugh is more or less guaranteed. And they're off to a flying start (or pre-start). But after the laughter is over - then what? That's what worries me.AnatolyKasparov wrote:It really is lets all laugh at the Tories time, lets hope that continues for the next week
That article is even worse than I expected, painting him as some sort of political titan who is about to be grievously lost to usfrog222 wrote:“” Leslie is the latest in a growing list of Labour MPs to have lost confidence votes in their constituency parties. The others to have fallen foul of their local parties are the the anti-EU MPs Frank Field and Kate Hoey, and Corbyn critics Gavin Shuker and Joan Ryan.””
The author Toby Helm, describes that mob as “centre-left” !
Chris Leslie condemns Labour intolerance of critics of Corbyn
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ics-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No Guardian comments surprise !
I'd love it if Theresa May came out and said "You two did absolutely fuck all when you were in office so STFU!"adam wrote:Behind paywall in Telegraph...
'We need a more robust approach': David Davis unleashes criticism of Brexit negotiations
David Davis MP, Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union from July 2016 to July 2018, actually said that out loud.