Wednesday 17th October 2018
Forum rules
Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.
Welcome to FTN. New posters are welcome to join the conversation. You can follow us on Twitter @FlythenestHaven You are responsible for the content you post. This is a public forum. Treat it as if you are speaking in a crowded room. Site admin and Moderators are volunteers who will respond as quickly as they are able to when made aware of any complaints. Please do not post copyrighted material without the original authors permission.
Wednesday 17th October 2018
Morning all.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 27400
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 12:40 am
- Location: Three quarters way to hell
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Opposition Day Debates
Universal Fuck Up
Social Care lack of funding.
Universal Fuck Up
Social Care lack of funding.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 27400
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 12:40 am
- Location: Three quarters way to hell
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... ts#history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Consultation outcome
Proposals for a new statistical series to count unemployed claimants
Consultation outcome
Proposals for a new statistical series to count unemployed claimants
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Good-morning, everyone
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
They aren't spoilt for choice right now, that's for sure.HindleA wrote:Opposition Day Debates
Universal Fuck Up
Social Care lack of funding.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Chakrabortty
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Menon & Portes
Another report on a no-deal Brexit; another excuse to ignore the damage
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Menon & Portes
Another report on a no-deal Brexit; another excuse to ignore the damage
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Grayling's in charge, what could possibly go wrong?
Faisal Islam
Verified account
@faisalislam
1h1 hour ago
More Faisal Islam Retweeted GWR Help
Test train tore down cables closing Paddington station to all traffic including connection to Heathrow, acc to GWR. That’s some testing phase.
Faisal Islam
Verified account
@faisalislam
1h1 hour ago
More Faisal Islam Retweeted GWR Help
Test train tore down cables closing Paddington station to all traffic including connection to Heathrow, acc to GWR. That’s some testing phase.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
On the same day that a new "centrist" think tank is launched.gilsey wrote:Chakrabortty
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Maybe they (especially their mentor Chuka, happy 40th birthday today) will take note of the above......or perhaps not.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 27400
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 12:40 am
- Location: Three quarters way to hell
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 27400
- Joined: Tue 26 Aug, 2014 12:40 am
- Location: Three quarters way to hell
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/over ... d43c72064d" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Over-75s face losing free TV licences in BBC cost-cutting
Over-75s face losing free TV licences in BBC cost-cutting
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
I was up and about extremely early and then asleep again,
so missed the Humphrys 'Special' , from the LT --
BobbyEwing @ RClayton
I was (yet again) shocked by Humphrys questioning, not sharp not educated, lacking knowledge but blustering and condescending and downright lying about the backstop text "haven't we moved on from all that"!! Jesus. Loved when the Tanaiste took him apart clinically and cheerfully accused him of being a spokesperson for Boris. Spot on.
MaxZ0rin @ BobbyEwing
Humphrys is bloody awful, isn’t it. The Starmer interview was just painful, he always comes across as slightly demented when talking about Brexit. How the Beeb can continue to say he’s impartial on the subject is beyond belief.
so missed the Humphrys 'Special' , from the LT --
BobbyEwing @ RClayton
I was (yet again) shocked by Humphrys questioning, not sharp not educated, lacking knowledge but blustering and condescending and downright lying about the backstop text "haven't we moved on from all that"!! Jesus. Loved when the Tanaiste took him apart clinically and cheerfully accused him of being a spokesperson for Boris. Spot on.
MaxZ0rin @ BobbyEwing
Humphrys is bloody awful, isn’t it. The Starmer interview was just painful, he always comes across as slightly demented when talking about Brexit. How the Beeb can continue to say he’s impartial on the subject is beyond belief.
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Good morfternoon.
Theresa May has dropped the irritating "our" United Kingdom thing. Today we're back to being "the" United Kingdom.
Theresa May has dropped the irritating "our" United Kingdom thing. Today we're back to being "the" United Kingdom.
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... protestersCourt quashes 'excessive' sentences of fracking protesters
Court of appeal gives Simon Blevins, 26, Richard Roberts, 36, Rich Loizou, 31, conditional discharge
(Guardian)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
There were questions on Twitter yesterday as to where their funding is coming from. They seem to have missed that off their websiteAnatolyKasparov wrote:On the same day that a new "centrist" think tank is launched.gilsey wrote:Chakrabortty
Britain fell for a neoliberal con trick – even the IMF says so
Maybe they (especially their mentor Chuka, happy 40th birthday today) will take note of the above......or perhaps not.
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Excellent news, let's now look into the background of the judge who gave those ridiculously draconian sentences in the first place shall we?PorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... protestersCourt quashes 'excessive' sentences of fracking protesters
Court of appeal gives Simon Blevins, 26, Richard Roberts, 36, Rich Loizou, 31, conditional discharge
(Guardian)
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Faisal Islam
✔
@faisalislam
Highly significant: French Government publish its draft No Deal law on website of French Senate: “reestablishment of checks of goods and passengers” & “restoration of veterinary, sanitary, phytosanitary, safety controls & customs formalities” .... http://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl18-009.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
12:50 PM - Oct 17, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Off topic.
The ECB are feeling defensive. They’ve put out a statement about the weather. “In respect of touring Sri Lanka at this time of year,” it begins, stiffly, “the Future Tours Programme is congested involving 13 Boards whose schedules all interconnect, so there are unfortunately a number of tours that have to take place outside prime match-staging periods.”
You can say that again.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Goodbye to the EHIC card then, unless something cooked up there ...PorFavor wrote:Faisal Islam @faisalislam
Highly significant: French Government publish its draft No Deal law on website of French Senate: “reestablishment of checks of goods and passengers” & “restoration of veterinary, sanitary, phytosanitary, safety controls & customs formalities” .... http://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl18-009.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
12:50 PM - Oct 17, 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
I left UK in dec 1976, so nearly all my pensions are European, as are my SS contributions now giving LOCAL rights to health coverage …. at least I hope so .
But the UK civil service aren't the only ones quite capable of 'Windrushing' .
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Today
So far, over a hundred of thousand disabled people wrongfully denied their legal entitlements amounting to £120m to date!
How many terminally ill didn't get a chance responding?
Does that 'record high' government spend include any government legal costs trying to get out of their obligations?
It's going to take more than a year, according to this government minister, fixing further problems
(cJA emphasis)Employment & Support Allowance: Written statement - HCWS1017 Department for Work and Pensions - Sarah Newton Minister of State for Disabled People, Health & Work
This Written Statement is a further update to the House on progress in correcting historic ESA underpayments and paying arrears.
The Department began work to assess cases in December 2017. For that stage of the exercise we expect to review around 320,000 cases, of which around 105,000 are likely to be due arrears. We now have a team of over 400 staff working through these cases and have paid around £120m in arrears. We expect to complete the vast majority of this part of the exercise by April 2019, and have to date completed all cases where an individual is terminally ill and responded to the review, thereby ensuring they receive due priority.
The announcement in July, to pay cases back to the point of conversion requires us to review an additional 250,000 cases, of which we estimate around 75,000 could be due arrears. We will undertake this work through the course of 2019. We now have a team of over 400 staff working through these cases, with a further 400 due to join the team through October and November, and will be assigning more staff to review the additional 250,000 cases. This will enable us to complete this important activity at pace.
---
There are currently around 2.3million working-age people on Employment and Support Allowance. In 2018/19 £54 billion will be been spent on benefits to support disabled people and people with health conditions this year which is over 6% of all Government spending and a record high.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/publ ... 7/HCWS1017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
So far, over a hundred of thousand disabled people wrongfully denied their legal entitlements amounting to £120m to date!
How many terminally ill didn't get a chance responding?
Does that 'record high' government spend include any government legal costs trying to get out of their obligations?
It's going to take more than a year, according to this government minister, fixing further problems
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Please see Tory minister written statement extract posted aboveHindleA wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ssion=true
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
thank god/goddessPorFavor wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... protestersCourt quashes 'excessive' sentences of fracking protesters
Court of appeal gives Simon Blevins, 26, Richard Roberts, 36, Rich Loizou, 31, conditional discharge
(Guardian)
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Indeed.frog222 wrote: But the UK civil service aren't the only ones quite capable of 'Windrushing'
I hope that there are no problems for you.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
sorry about my grammatical errors
I found it difficult to read
![Embarrassed :oops:](./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
I found it difficult to read
![Embarrassed :oops:](./images/smilies/icon_redface.gif)
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Thank you just for saying something tbh, three hours of radio silence.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
"There is nothing to write about, you say. Well then, write and let me know just this – that there is nothing to write about; or tell me in the good old style if you are well."
Pliny the Younger
Pliny the Younger
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
What I'm reading in the news right now is mostly depressing as hell
-
- Prime Minister
- Posts: 15626
- Joined: Mon 25 Aug, 2014 9:26 pm
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Well apparently Francis Fukuyama, no less, has suggested that we need socialism back. That must be reasonably interesting?
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
I don't understand the significance of what you've written
If you've time and inclination, please post a link
If you've time and inclination, please post a link
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/ob ... -come-backFrancis Fukuyama interview: “Socialism ought to come back" (New Statesman)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Fukuyama wrote that the fall of the Berlin Wall marked 'the end of history', if I've got the right chap.
Often wish he'd been right.
Often wish he'd been right.
One world, like it or not - John Martyn
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Crace --https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sas-rescue
This from a brexiteer is rather fun https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This from a brexiteer is rather fun https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
I've read some of his work, the headline isn't such a shockPorFavor wrote:https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/ob ... -come-backFrancis Fukuyama interview: “Socialism ought to come back" (New Statesman)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
yep“I think people should calm down a little bit."
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
frog222 wrote:Crace --https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sas-rescue
This from a brexiteer is rather fun https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Matthew Elliot is probably not the most trustworthy of sources (especially if Vince Cable seems to suddenly find him so)Jeremy Corbyn is facing an explosive claim that he congratulated the Leave campaign on its “good work” during the referendum, while publicly opposing Brexit.
https://badboysofbrexit.com/2017/12/22/matthew-elliott/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Even if it's true, Corbyn was doing good publicly in a way that got Labour's vote out for Remain and bad privately in a way that had no effect. Was he just fooling us? We are what we pretend to be...tinybgoat wrote:frog222 wrote:Crace --https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... sas-rescue
This from a brexiteer is rather fun https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 87181.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Matthew Elliot is probably not the most trustworthy of sources (especially if Vince Cable seems to suddenly find him so)Jeremy Corbyn is facing an explosive claim that he congratulated the Leave campaign on its “good work” during the referendum, while publicly opposing Brexit.
https://badboysofbrexit.com/2017/12/22/matthew-elliott/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA
love,
cJA
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Looks like the November meeting's off, then. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
SO, we're kicking the can down the road, seems to be the plan, except it isn't because it will come only with a fully nailed down and signed off withdrawal agreement that confirms indefinite arrangements for Northern Ireland, because it will cost us a lot more money, and because we still exactly where we are in terms of longer term trade (and so on) agreements - four freedoms and so on. So I suppose the question is have the extremists in May's party and the DUP had enough?
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Meanwhile, in very exciting news, season 2 of Limetown is arriving on iTunes for Halloween. Thoroughly recommended.Read this...
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Dorries has said May should go. I've been looking around other obvious Tory MPs so you don't have to and none of them seem to have anything to say yet.
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
If even May loyalist Green is talking this down then we may be on course to just give up now and crash out.Damien Green says the extra year of transition would “solve some problems but not others,” adding that “there are two big problems.” Green says the Irish backstop issue still does not go away and the UK could have to pay the EU an extra year of contributions to the bloc’s budget.
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
I'm a big fan of "Welcome to Night Vale".adam wrote:Meanwhile, in very exciting news, season 2 of Limetown is arriving on iTunes for Halloween. Thoroughly recommended.Read this...
(I feel as if we've had this conversation before. Have we?)
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
I'm sure we have. I get a bit faddy with these things, I listened to about the first 40 or so episodes of Night Vale and then let it drift, but I still have it all and am still getting new ones.PorFavor wrote:I'm a big fan of "Welcome to Night Vale".adam wrote:Meanwhile, in very exciting news, season 2 of Limetown is arriving on iTunes for Halloween. Thoroughly recommended.Read this...
(I feel as if we've had this conversation before. Have we?)
I still believe in a town called Hope
Re: Wednesday 17th October 2018
Also, that Newsnight lineup? Two tories, Farage and a Fine Gael VP of the European Parliament. (Watch me resist the urge to write 'VP of the EP') (Damn)
I still believe in a town called Hope