Monday 22nd October 2018
Posted: Mon 22 Oct, 2018 7:03 am
Morning all.
I agree with you and must point out making sustainable straws and cotton buds is possibleHindleA wrote:https://consult.defra.gov.uk/waste-and- ... -and-buds/
Consultation on proposals to ban the distribution and/or sale of plastic straws, plastic - stemmed cotton buds and plastic drink stirrers in England.
Some people need plastic straws.As with many "green" things the selfish thoughtless pursuit of those with choice IMHO
I don't think switching plastic for paper in cotton buds makes much difference to anyone. I doubt most people noticed when they switched from paper to plastic in the first place and they won't notice when they switch back, which is happening already with the big supermarkets bowing to pressure from consumers with no need of government interference.citizenJA wrote:I agree with you and must point out making sustainable straws and cotton buds is possibleHindleA wrote:https://consult.defra.gov.uk/waste-and- ... -and-buds/
Consultation on proposals to ban the distribution and/or sale of plastic straws, plastic - stemmed cotton buds and plastic drink stirrers in England.
Some people need plastic straws.As with many "green" things the selfish thoughtless pursuit of those with choice IMHO
Projects leaving the Government Major Projects Portfolio
Report conclusions
The Portfolio represents the government’s biggest and riskiest projects, which are also intended to produce £650 billion of benefits. The Portfolio was set up to provide more transparency around their performance, as well as to provide extra assurance. Although there is evidence that most projects that have recently left the Portfolio have implemented their planned scope, it is less clear whether they achieve the intended outcomes. For example, there is no corresponding figure for what proportion of the £650 billion of benefits have been realised. Weaknesses in the Authority’s processes in the past have reduced the degree of transparency around many of the 302 projects that have left the Portfolio.
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because we can'tWe do not conclude on whether individual projects have provided value for money.
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Chris Grayling says "it's not government policy to follow one policy or another." We've noticed. #Brexit #peoplesvote #r4today
12:18 am - 22 Oct 2018 (Politics Live, Guardian)
Obvious answer - at least it shows that they are "doing something"?Willow904 wrote:I really don't understand why they want to ban plastic straws, as there hasn't been any attempt to encourage people to switch to paper straws voluntarily, yet. With only plastic available no one's had the opportunity to switch to save the planet. Just by making paper straws available to buy or opt for in restaurants the amount of plastic straws being thrown away could be drastically reduced without preventing those who need them from still using them.
With all the plastic packaging out there, used for essential every day things consumed in huge quantities by everyone such as bread, vegetables and frozen food, this obsession with straws in particular as something that needs outright banning makes no sense. Why can't fast food places simply be required to offer both to encourage those for whom it makes no difference to choose paper? Or maybe plastic straws could be provided to those who request them, like in pubs, who have them but only provide them to those who ask.
So why not ban the plastic bit that keeps beer cans together and frequently strangles sea birds, then? Something no one will miss. There are campaigns for that too if the government's just looking for a popular bandwagon to jump on.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Obvious answer - at least it shows that they are "doing something"?Willow904 wrote:I really don't understand why they want to ban plastic straws, as there hasn't been any attempt to encourage people to switch to paper straws voluntarily, yet. With only plastic available no one's had the opportunity to switch to save the planet. Just by making paper straws available to buy or opt for in restaurants the amount of plastic straws being thrown away could be drastically reduced without preventing those who need them from still using them.
With all the plastic packaging out there, used for essential every day things consumed in huge quantities by everyone such as bread, vegetables and frozen food, this obsession with straws in particular as something that needs outright banning makes no sense. Why can't fast food places simply be required to offer both to encourage those for whom it makes no difference to choose paper? Or maybe plastic straws could be provided to those who request them, like in pubs, who have them but only provide them to those who ask.
Probably right, also it's easy to achieve because it's already underway in other countries, so cynically it's just trying to claim credit for something that's happening anyway.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Obvious answer - at least it shows that they are "doing something"?Willow904 wrote:I really don't understand why they want to ban plastic straws, as there hasn't been any attempt to encourage people to switch to paper straws voluntarily, yet. With only plastic available no one's had the opportunity to switch to save the planet. Just by making paper straws available to buy or opt for in restaurants the amount of plastic straws being thrown away could be drastically reduced without preventing those who need them from still using them.
With all the plastic packaging out there, used for essential every day things consumed in huge quantities by everyone such as bread, vegetables and frozen food, this obsession with straws in particular as something that needs outright banning makes no sense. Why can't fast food places simply be required to offer both to encourage those for whom it makes no difference to choose paper? Or maybe plastic straws could be provided to those who request them, like in pubs, who have them but only provide them to those who ask.
So why pick on straws?
The anti-straw movement may have first picked up steam because of a viral video that started going around in 2015. Texas A&M graduate student Christine Figgener happened to be out tagging some sea turtles as part of her research in Costa Rica, when she noticed something encrusted in the nose of one of the male turtles...."In a way, that turtle became a poster child,"
From the Gdn --Willow904 wrote: So why not ban the plastic bit that keeps beer cans together and frequently strangles sea birds, then? Something no one will miss. There are campaigns for that too if the government's just looking for a popular bandwagon to jump on.
True. And, although the "Brexit" group involved are unlikely to succeed, why is there not more of a vocal condemnation of them? If Theresa May were so-minded, she could really make a big thing of this. Why isn't she doing so?Louise Haigh MP
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If you think that hijacking an important firearms debate for a proxy row over Brexit is acceptable, you're not fit for public office. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Only a few MPs letters away from triggering a confidence vote, if you believe the rumours........PorFavor wrote:True. And, although the "Brexit" group involved are unlikely to succeed, why is there no more of a vocal condemnation of them? If Theresa May were so-minded, she could really make a big thing of this. Why isn't she doing so?Louise Haigh MP
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If you think that hijacking an important firearms debate for a proxy row over Brexit is acceptable, you're not fit for public office. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Politicians playing politics with a deeply political issue?GetYou wrote:My irony meter has exploded again. May has accused Labour of playing politics with Brexit.
Quite.Jeremy Corbyn is on his feet. He says the Conservative party has been arguing with itself, without considering the national interest.
He says the deal cannot be 95% done, but also “nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.” He asks which it is? (Politics Live, Guardian)
The needs of people and country are just too much for Tory government.PorFavor wrote:Well, that's another "It's all about the Conservative Party. Sod everybody else." session over.
I'm beginning to feel that I'm watching a played-out-in-public, never-ending, expensive (and at our expense) group therapy session.citizenJA wrote:The needs of people and country are just too much for Tory government.PorFavor wrote:Well, that's another "It's all about the Conservative Party. Sod everybody else." session over.
Have a Consolation Crace --PorFavor wrote:I'm beginning to feel that I'm watching a played-out-in-public, never-ending, expensive (and at our expense) group therapy session.citizenJA wrote:The needs of people and country are just too much for Tory government.PorFavor wrote:Well, that's another "It's all about the Conservative Party. Sod everybody else." session over.
I might not mind so much if it seemed to be having a positive effect.......PorFavor wrote:I'm beginning to feel that I'm watching a played-out-in-public, never-ending, expensive (and at our expense) group therapy session.citizenJA wrote:The needs of people and country are just too much for Tory government.PorFavor wrote:Well, that's another "It's all about the Conservative Party. Sod everybody else." session over.