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Ever decisive,I couldn't make my mind up on what cereal to have,so I had three,or more correctly two bowls of each and six slices of toast.Some kind of the more I eat the more weight I lose.I blame the Tories.

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Consistently,you would think they would have a day off.

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This thread was the one picked up by wee Nicky.
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A United Nations special investigator is launching a two-week inquiry into rising levels of poverty and hardship across the UK, saying he hopes the government is ready for proper dialogue over the human consequences of austerity cuts.

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This thread was the one picked up by wee Nicky.
https://twitter.com/Sime0nStylites/stat ... 5316945921


Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal. That there's a strong possibility the final destination will significantly change from the silliness currently being offered by May once we have left and are in transition isn't really explored. As far as I can tell the two options agreeable to the EU that the thread refers to will both still be on the table post-exit in March. The fact this deal doesn't nail down which pragmatic option we're likely to end up with in the end isn't helpful and extends the uncertainty but it also means nothing is ruled out apart from a hard Irish border, which is something we have to rule out because of the Good Friday Agreement.

As for no one liking the deal, that's pretty inevitable really. The grass is always greener on the other side....

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Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal.

I thought that was his point really. Here we are, leaving the EU with a-deal-that-isn't-a-deal, and no-one to say stop.

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Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.

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Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.

True since long before 2016.

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Boris having another tantrum over this purported "deal" :roll: :D


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gilsey wrote:
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Interesting thread but kind of misses the point that we're negotiating a withdrawal agreement not a final deal.

I thought that was his point really. Here we are, leaving the EU with a-deal-that-isn't-a-deal, and no-one to say stop.

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11. Does the Deal represent the ‘will of the people’? Now I’m a will of the people sceptic but does anyone think that an indeterminate transition, no clue re future relationship, and possible *temporary* CU Brexit is remotely close to what people voted for?


Because people have only ever voted against things - against remaining in the EU, against hard Brexit - it's difficult to know what they would vote for.

From that perspective a further vote - GE or referendum - appears called for. I'm not convinced the right question or honest options would be put forward, though, so even then we may not get a true answer to "what do people want?"

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Good morfternoon.

Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.


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Wanting things that don't exist is cute in 5 year olds writing their Christmas lists but less attractive in full grown adults in charge of a country.

Leadership have willfully and voluntarily placed people and country in a bad place. We're relying on current food, medicine and income arrangements; there's no realistic way most people can prepare for Brexit changes. Look at NAO reports and other reputable sources of information. Leadership can't not know their senseless dithering isn't causing people anxiety. They know and don't care or worse, they're intentionally cultivating anxiety in order to fob off an inferior and diminished life for most people.

"It probably won't get that bad; government won't let it get so terrible. Right?"

Look at their policies and leadership for 8.5 years; look at them now, daily. They've placed people and nation into an unforgivably dangerous place.


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A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):

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Good morfternoon.

Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.

I agree with you.


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A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):

https://mobile.twitter.com/carolinejmol ... 1135259649


Indeed there are, "Theresa May should take personal responsibility for her own diabetes" being one of them.


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A really good Twitter thread in response to Matt Hancock's "please stop getting ill as a result of poverty and environmental pollution we are responsible for so we can spend less on the NHS and more on tax cuts, thanks" (I'm sure there are many more good responses to this ridiculous drivel):

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Hancock sounds like he doesn't give a damn about most people he shares time and world with. His cavalier remarks are disturbing.

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Good morfternoon.
Thanks to citizenJA and adam for responding to my musings (yesterday) on the USA. Whilst I recognise that the President thing is because of the US's history, I contend that it's not fit for the present day. Similarly, their gun laws and their electoral system.

I agree with you.
Good one from Joseph Stiglitz on that huge subject --
" “One of the reasons I wrote [The Price of Inequality] is almost as a warning to other countries,” he says.

“Some of the forces attacking what I would call the social order … those who are shortsighted and in the 1%, know that what they want is contrary to what would evolve in a functioning democracy.

<b>“Most Americans want a higher minimum wage, they want gun control, they want access to healthcare, they want stronger financial regulation – the polling on some of these issues is, you know, 75% or more – and yet our democracy can’t deliver it.</b>

“Those on the other side have to undermine democracy if they’re going to thwart the will of such a large majority, so they undermine it by disenfranchisement and disempowerment.”"

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I've thought long on a few things I'll attempt communicating here. I'm often anxious these days and my creative abilities are taking a hit.

Pollution, climatic changes, and disease (not a comprehensive list, just examples) don't respect national boundaries. Human beings (all life) always relied upon the one environment but that reality seems in greater relief now. Global cooperative effort is required.


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Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that


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Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that


Simple but profound, I like it.


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Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that


Simple but profound, I like it.

Yes and worth bearing in mind that it's only relatively recently that nation states have become the norm.

There's no historical reason to think they should just endure.


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I'm not convinced the right question or honest options would be put forward, though, so even then we may not get a true answer to "what do people want?"

I think Chris Grey had the right idea, the trick will be to get a true answer to 'what do people not want'. Run the same question again. Don't vote for Remain, vote against the deal-that-isn't-a-deal with all its uncertainties. And if you still want to Leave then I guess the rest of us deserve it for sharing the country with you. :)
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Transport department to use element of chance to allocate scarce haulage permits needed in event of no deal Brexit

The Department for Transport has issued a paper today (pdf) about how permits could be issued to hauliers to allow them to operate on the continent after Brexit. It says it hopes that there will be a deal and that permits will not be necessary. But in the event of there being no Brexit deal, hauliers will need permits - and the number of ECMT [European Conference of Ministers of Transport] permits available is much, much smaller than the number of hauliers who might want one (only 5% of the total, according to one estimate).

The paper explains how ECMT permits would be allocated. Various criteria will be used. But there will also be a random element, the paper says, to increase the number of haulage companies that benefit. (Politics Live, Guardian)


I foresee no problems whatsoever.


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A “no deal safety net unit” is being rushed through by Scotland Yard at a cost of more than £2.4m after police chiefs warned the home secretary that losing EU tools would make it harder to track sex offenders and terrorist suspects, according to internal police documents. (Politics Live, Guardian)


It's nice to know that we can afford all these "little extras".


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Yet they actively penalise those who do take responsibility,only legal action prevented receivers of CA not being subject to being capped,strenuously defend discretion as to obvious necessary rooms for care,homeowners daring not to move from adapted houses they can't move from to non existing alternatives..cont'd on page 92.

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Shambolic.

These sort of issues should have been decided two years ago - months away from Brexit and they're still changing their mind from week to week.

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Not sure if some people are on the same planet,me as an obvious example.

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Removing the Tories would certainly improve my health immeasureably,so I am taking responsibility.

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Simple but profound, I like it.

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Nation-states are all very well but we're one species living on this one planet and there's no getting away from that

Simple but profound, I like it.

Yes and worth bearing in mind that it's only relatively recently that nation states have become the norm.

There's no historical reason to think they should just endure.
Exactly. I edited my post. It contained a rambling discourse on the migrating human throughout the specie's existence.

I had a wonderful conversation with a cab driver this afternoon on the topic. We come from entirely different parts of the world, different cultures but we both look for goodness, cooperation and cheerful conversation out and about. I'm always meeting wonderful people!

Mind you, sometimes others have a lot on their minds, you know? I can stay quiet too. Maybe we'll talk some other time or we'll simply nod at each other companionably and that's it; that's okay.


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I foresee no problems whatsoever.
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I notice that No 10 states that Theresa May and Leo Varadkar had a "constructive" conversation. I further note that Leo Varadkar's office doesn't say anything of the sort.


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Hammond suggests that, if there is no Brexit deal, spending commitments made in this year’s budget could be abandoned.

Q: No 10 said all these promises would be honoured, irrespective of whether or not there is a deal. That is not what you are saying.

Hammond does not accept there is an inconsistency. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Advance loans which help people bridge the gap will only be clawed back at 30% of benefits per month, not 40%. The payback period will extend from 12 to 16 months from October 2021.

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Q: No 10 said all these promises would be honoured, irrespective of whether or not there is a deal. That is not what you are saying.

Hammond does not accept there is an inconsistency. (Politics Live, Guardian)

In what way is there no inconsistency\lie?
Labour are more inconsistent
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I'm sure all present and future UC claimants will be falling over themselves to thank the govt for its generosity.

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Re: McVey's Commons Statement
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Nov, 2018 6:34 pm 
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T'was wife's day off today...except that she got an email this morning requesting her presence at a meeting from 2-3pm.

So off she goes...phone call at 4:50 - "I'm still here"...

...and I'm still waiting. Dinner's in the oven on low...

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:
McVile to speak to the Commons later on, 4.15 ish.


Anything of interest?
No

edited to add
I've turned the page
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