Monday 12th November 2018
Posted: Mon 12 Nov, 2018 7:03 am
Morning all.
HindleA wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true
no surprise thereUniversal credit will cost more than system it replaces, study shows
(cJA emphasis)What tells you most about a society is how it treats its poor and vulnerable, the UN special rapporteur on poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, told a packed public meeting held in the UK’s poorest neighbourhood on Sunday...in Jaywick, a tiny village by the sea in the south-east corner of Essex.
He said a wealthy country could decide to help all those who hit hard times, ensure that they don’t slip through the net and are able to live a life of dignity:
“It’s a political choice.”
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IMO Labour's problem is that, in practice, they can't ban everyone except Starmer from talking about it. I think his position is reasonably coherent but it's nuanced and hard to follow if you don't understand Brexit as well as he does. Who does?None of us have the faintest fucking idea what Labour's Brexit policy really is because neither do they.
Meanwhile the Daily Borisgraph seems to be getting its moneysworth with its chief investigative reporter...Jennifer Rankin
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Brexit fatigue setting in in Brussels. One source says they have stopped reading British papers(!), because tired of 'cabinet deal imminent'/'cabinet deadlocked' story loop.
Heh, will try and remember that linePorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Mark Francois (spouting off currently on TV). His main plank (apart from himself, of course) seems to be that, even if World Trade Organisation terms were to end up placing us in a worse position, at least we would have been free to try! (I paraphrase, but only to make him sound more coherent than he is).
I think Corbyn's problem is that he just isn't good at seeing how his words will be turned against him. It's a shame that this should be a problem of course.gilsey wrote:Sky posted this last night.IMO Labour's problem is that, in practice, they can't ban everyone except Starmer from talking about it. I think his position is reasonably coherent but it's nuanced and hard to follow if you don't understand Brexit as well as he does. Who does?None of us have the faintest fucking idea what Labour's Brexit policy really is because neither do they.
I'm not criticising Labour MPs particularly, their understanding of it is better than your average tory MP who hasn't a clue but is allowed to get away with one of a range of ridiculously simplified positions by the MSM.
Indeed.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: I think Corbyn's problem is that he just isn't good at seeing how his words will be turned against him. It's a shame that this should be a problem of course.
That there is still even slight doubt that it is a "done deal" is remarkable really. Had the government come up with even a vaguely decent Brexit plan after the referendum, it is likely most would have got behind it (even if reluctantly in many cases) It is their obsession with appeasing the unappeaseable that has let to the present state of things.gilsey wrote:Indeed.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: I think Corbyn's problem is that he just isn't good at seeing how his words will be turned against him. It's a shame that this should be a problem of course.
Also, I think he believes Labour can still make the country work better 'for the many' even after Brexit and therefore doesn't care as much as those who think it'll be a catastrophe for the northern working classes. He sees it as a done deal they have to make the best of.
I'm not 100% certain he's wrong but I'd rather not find out.
And she remains absolutely convinced that she is holding the final piece and is ready to put it into place.PorFavor wrote:I don't think I can cope with "Brexit" any more.
Theresa May seems to have taken several jigsaw puzzles, thrown half of the contents of each of their respective boxes away, put all the remaining pieces into one empty box (minus its lid - which had shown a picture of the Conservative Party logo - although even having the picture wouldn't be of much help by this stage), allowed the DUP to pour boiling water into the contents of the box and stir it well, and still expects someone to be able to put the pieces together to achieve a neat fit and a pretty picture. Oh - and she's packaged it up as a gift for us all.
Is it "appeasing the unappeasable" that made it so appealing to Frank Field?AnatolyKasparov wrote:That there is still even slight doubt that it is a "done deal" is remarkable really. Had the government come up with even a vaguely decent Brexit plan after the referendum, it is likely most would have got behind it (even if reluctantly in many cases) It is their obsession with appeasing the unappeaseable that has let to the present state of things.gilsey wrote:Indeed.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: I think Corbyn's problem is that he just isn't good at seeing how his words will be turned against him. It's a shame that this should be a problem of course.
Also, I think he believes Labour can still make the country work better 'for the many' even after Brexit and therefore doesn't care as much as those who think it'll be a catastrophe for the northern working classes. He sees it as a done deal they have to make the best of.
I'm not 100% certain he's wrong but I'd rather not find out.
Had you seen this PF?PorFavor wrote:I don't think I can cope with "Brexit" any more.
Theresa May seems to have taken several jigsaw puzzles, thrown half of the contents of each of their respective boxes away, put all the remaining pieces into one empty box (minus its lid - which had shown a picture of the Conservative Party logo - although even having the picture wouldn't be of much help by this stage), allowed the DUP to pour boiling water into the contents of the box and stir it well, and still expects someone to be able to put the pieces together to achieve a neat fit and a pretty picture. Oh - and she's packaged it up as a gift for us all.
No, I hadn't. Thanks!PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Had you seen this PF?PorFavor wrote:I don't think I can cope with "Brexit" any more.
Theresa May seems to have taken several jigsaw puzzles, thrown half of the contents of each of their respective boxes away, put all the remaining pieces into one empty box (minus its lid - which had shown a picture of the Conservative Party logo - although even having the picture wouldn't be of much help by this stage), allowed the DUP to pour boiling water into the contents of the box and stir it well, and still expects someone to be able to put the pieces together to achieve a neat fit and a pretty picture. Oh - and she's packaged it up as a gift for us all.
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Amazing - I saw the link just after reading your postPorFavor wrote:No, I hadn't. Thanks!PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Had you seen this PF?PorFavor wrote:I don't think I can cope with "Brexit" any more.
Theresa May seems to have taken several jigsaw puzzles, thrown half of the contents of each of their respective boxes away, put all the remaining pieces into one empty box (minus its lid - which had shown a picture of the Conservative Party logo - although even having the picture wouldn't be of much help by this stage), allowed the DUP to pour boiling water into the contents of the box and stir it well, and still expects someone to be able to put the pieces together to achieve a neat fit and a pretty picture. Oh - and she's packaged it up as a gift for us all.
https://boingboing.net/2018/11/11/this- ... uzzle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
this-artist-uses-jigsaw-puzzle.html
Thanks for the pointer. I also have sympathy.PorFavor wrote:@PaulfromYorkshire
Must be something in the ether.
I'd been struggling with the jigsaw thought for a couple of days - it was the closest I could get to coming up with something that fit the way I'm seeing the situation at the moment. I'm still struggling with it all! And trying to reason out Jeremy Corbyn's stance on the whole thing. He seems to be stuck in a bit of a timewarp. However, if we're going to face a disaster, I'd feel safer facing it under a Labour government.
By the way, did you see Sky'sGoneOut 's posts last night? I have sympathy with his view.
Gin is fashionable again. They're the only new businesses I've seen open recently.HindleA wrote:With no one in particular in mind
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This is really a bit of an unmentionable, isn't it? Many of the #FBPE types not only seem to think "their" side would win, but that they would get a landslide.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks for the pointer. I also have sympathy.PorFavor wrote:@PaulfromYorkshire
Must be something in the ether.
I'd been struggling with the jigsaw thought for a couple of days - it was the closest I could get to coming up with something that fit the way I'm seeing the situation at the moment. I'm still struggling with it all! And trying to reason out Jeremy Corbyn's stance on the whole thing. He seems to be stuck in a bit of a timewarp. However, if we're going to face a disaster, I'd feel safer facing it under a Labour government.
By the way, did you see Sky'sGoneOut 's posts last night? I have sympathy with his view.
But I still think that Labour has got it broadly right, if far from perfect. I really worry about the idea that everyone has changed their mind now. I'm not certain a second referendum would produce the "right" result.
TimesPenny Mordaunt tells cabinet colleagues she wants to end funding Unesco, the UN cultural and education body
- wants to end £11.1m annual funding at end of next year
She's my MP. I am truly blessed.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:TimesPenny Mordaunt tells cabinet colleagues she wants to end funding Unesco, the UN cultural and education body
- wants to end £11.1m annual funding at end of next year
Puny adornment turns into UNESCO hating Portsmouth MP (5,8)PorFavor wrote:She's my MP. I am truly blessed.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:TimesPenny Mordaunt tells cabinet colleagues she wants to end funding Unesco, the UN cultural and education body
- wants to end £11.1m annual funding at end of next year
Have you seen the puny adornment that Theresa May's sporting at the Lord Mayor's bash?PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Puny adornment turns into UNESCO hating Portsmouth MP (5,8)
https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 29801.htmlCalifornia wildfires: Why Trump's claim 'forest management' is to blame is completely wrong - and why he'll keep saying it (Independent)
He got a slap down from Axl Rose.PorFavor wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 29801.htmlCalifornia wildfires: Why Trump's claim 'forest management' is to blame is completely wrong - and why he'll keep saying it (Independent)