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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... new-report
Charities risk becoming irrelevant, warns new report

the policies put in place since 2010 are usually discussed under the rubric of austerity. But this framing leads the inquiry in the wrong direction. In the area of poverty-related policy, the evidence points to the conclusion that the driving force has not been economic but rather a commitment to achieving radical social re-engineering.

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People who can't even organise a letter campaign insist complex international negotiation would've been fine if they were in charge

gilsey wrote:Wren-Lewis on the UN report, highlighting something I hadn't seen reported before, although it's pretty much what we here think.https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the policies put in place since 2010 are usually discussed under the rubric of austerity. But this framing leads the inquiry in the wrong direction. In the area of poverty-related policy, the evidence points to the conclusion that the driving force has not been economic but rather a commitment to achieving radical social re-engineering.

I assume this is the 'political language' Rudd was complaining about.

RogerOThornhill wrote: And the DUP turn out to be exactly what people always thought they were

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Nadine Dorries on BBC's Politics Live:

". . .not reaching the 48 letter threshold is a tactical decision".

Basically, if there is a vote of confidence it is not just for a year. Getting the 48 letters has shown to be quite difficult, so the idea that in a year you just repeat the process and then she would go at that point I don’t think that is realistic.

I think it is now or the prime minister will lead the Conservatives into the next election.

PorFavor wrote:Jacob Rees Mogg has a good track record on recognising "realistic", it should be pointed out.

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... nazis-1939

citizenJA wrote:The House voting down May's withdrawal agreement makes Tory government's position untenable and a GE called
The DUP and Tory MPs likely agree that'd be the end of their leadership
They'll not let it happen
Is this about right or no?

citizenJA wrote:What do Tory/DUP MPs fear more
Voting for May's withdrawal agreement or voting against it making current Tory leadership untenable?
Am I mistaken thinking voting down the agreement leads to current government's downfall?

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

citizenJA wrote:What do Tory/DUP MPs fear more
Voting for May's withdrawal agreement or voting against it making current Tory leadership untenable?
Am I mistaken thinking voting down the agreement leads to current government's downfall?

IMHO MPs worry mainly about their own seats.

The DUP won't want to be seen supporting a process that leads even slightly towards Irish unification.

Then it comes down to individual Tories and what they think their own electors will think. If they feel voters in their area will hate them for voting with May, they may prefer to bring down the government.

But in any case the Tories can continue just about as a minority government even if May's bill is voted down.

adam wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

citizenJA wrote:What do Tory/DUP MPs fear more
Voting for May's withdrawal agreement or voting against it making current Tory leadership untenable?
Am I mistaken thinking voting down the agreement leads to current government's downfall?

IMHO MPs worry mainly about their own seats.

The DUP won't want to be seen supporting a process that leads even slightly towards Irish unification.

Then it comes down to individual Tories and what they think their own electors will think. If they feel voters in their area will hate them for voting with May, they may prefer to bring down the government.

But in any case the Tories can continue just about as a minority government even if May's bill is voted down.

The DUP would have to start actively voting against them on motions of consequence in order to bring them down - ultimately would have to vote against a confidence motion (in the government, not a 1922 confidence motion on May) and risk a Corbyn and McDonnell government which it seems unlikely they would do - but you never know, and they are likely to decide what the see their principled line as being and then follow it.

citizenJA wrote:I think Tory MPs think of their party and will do nothing jeopardising their minority government

Harry Leslie Smith@Harryslaststand

This is Harry Leslie Smith's son, John. Harry is in A & E and not in a good way. He asked me to inform you in case things don't work out. I will keep you posted.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

citizenJA wrote:I think Tory MPs think of their party and will do nothing jeopardising their minority government

I don't believe many Tories put their party's survival ahead of their own job!

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sad news

Harry Leslie Smith@Harryslaststand

This is Harry Leslie Smith's son, John. Harry is in A & E and not in a good way. He asked me to inform you in case things don't work out. I will keep you posted.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sad news

Harry Leslie Smith@Harryslaststand

This is Harry Leslie Smith's son, John. Harry is in A & E and not in a good way. He asked me to inform you in case things don't work out. I will keep you posted.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:John McDonnell MP
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Absolutely staggering. The Government has just accepted all Labour amendments to the Finance Bill because they couldn’t rely upon DUP to support them. Tories in office not in power. A government falling apart in front of us.