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Sturgeon urges Tory remainers to help build soft Brexit coalition

However, she cautioned against over-optimism. “Let’s take this step by step. There’s no doubt this is the job we’ve got to do – saying that you’re against the prime minister’s deal and that we all think that no deal is not an option are important statements, but they only take you so far.

“We’re not there yet … We know what we don’t agree with and don’t like. What we now need to do is work together on what we think is the better alternative. I’m up for the SNP being part of it.”

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -coalition

Sturgeon urges Tory remainers to help build soft Brexit coalition

Sturgeon saying here what I've been commenting, that if the withdrawal agreement is to be rejected, those doing so need to be able to come together with a majority in the house for an alternative. Voting it down and hoping it will somehow all work out simply isn't good enough:

However, she cautioned against over-optimism. “Let’s take this step by step. There’s no doubt this is the job we’ve got to do – saying that you’re against the prime minister’s deal and that we all think that no deal is not an option are important statements, but they only take you so far.

“We’re not there yet … We know what we don’t agree with and don’t like. What we now need to do is work together on what we think is the better alternative. I’m up for the SNP being part of it.”

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -coalition

Sturgeon urges Tory remainers to help build soft Brexit coalition

Sturgeon saying here what I've been commenting, that if the withdrawal agreement is to be rejected, those doing so need to be able to come together with a majority in the house for an alternative. Voting it down and hoping it will somehow all work out simply isn't good enough:

However, she cautioned against over-optimism. “Let’s take this step by step. There’s no doubt this is the job we’ve got to do – saying that you’re against the prime minister’s deal and that we all think that no deal is not an option are important statements, but they only take you so far.
“We’re not there yet … We know what we don’t agree with and don’t like. What we now need to do is work together on what we think is the better alternative. I’m up for the SNP being part of it.”

Indeed. I'm pleased Sturgeon has opened up this line of thinking.
For me there is one crucial thing. This coalition will only I believe come together if it looks forward to what the relationship between the UK and EU could be, rather than what it was.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Hope HindleA didn't hear Amber Rudd this morning.

Apparently she thinks UC is a "force for good"

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning.

Anyone feeling "bolstered" today like Theresa?

She's in fine fettle. Bolstered because fewer than 48 MPs sent letters of no confidence.

I wish I could feel bolstered like her

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning.

Anyone feeling "bolstered" today like Theresa?

She's in fine fettle. Bolstered because fewer than 48 MPs sent letters of no confidence.

I wish I could feel bolstered like her

Utterly dreadful stuff from the Graun. Their political reporting really has become indistinguishable from the right wing press much of the time.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Sorry to indulge in a bit of Graun-bashing today, but their article and (still more so) chart on "populism" approaches "so bad its actually good" territory.

frog222 wrote:RE 1.37 OTOH the ERG oldies are keeping their powder dry --
DT " "The oldies know that they will be in a far more powerful position when it comes to the meaningful vote, when they have got Labour, the Scots nats, and the DUP with them. They don’t need her to lose by miles, they just need her to lose. That’s the main event here. The Brexiteers may not be united on the timing of bringing down Mrs May, but they are united in stopping her version of Brexit and the meaningful vote is the only way they can do that. If she loses the vote, Brexit is reborn.” "

Just chuck all the cards up in the air ! Again

6m ago 14:53

According to Bloomberg, the EU summit planned for Sunday to sign off the withdrawal agreement “may not go ahead if the final part of the Brexit deal isn’t completed by Thursday morning”. (Politics Live, Guardian)

citizenJA wrote:

frog222 wrote:RE 1.37 OTOH the ERG oldies are keeping their powder dry --
DT " "The oldies know that they will be in a far more powerful position when it comes to the meaningful vote, when they have got Labour, the Scots nats, and the DUP with them. They don’t need her to lose by miles, they just need her to lose. That’s the main event here. The Brexiteers may not be united on the timing of bringing down Mrs May, but they are united in stopping her version of Brexit and the meaningful vote is the only way they can do that. If she loses the vote, Brexit is reborn.” "
Just chuck all the cards up in the air ! Again

Tory-DUP MPs will do anything but jeopardise the minority government
edited to add
I'm not happy about this I hope I'm wrong and Tory government falls

frog222 wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

frog222 wrote:RE 1.37 OTOH the ERG oldies are keeping their powder dry --
DT " "The oldies know that they will be in a far more powerful position when it comes to the meaningful vote, when they have got Labour, the Scots nats, and the DUP with them. They don’t need her to lose by miles, they just need her to lose. That’s the main event here. The Brexiteers may not be united on the timing of bringing down Mrs May, but they are united in stopping her version of Brexit and the meaningful vote is the only way they can do that. If she loses the vote, Brexit is reborn.” "
Just chuck all the cards up in the air ! Again

Tory-DUP MPs will do anything but jeopardise the minority government
edited to add
I'm not happy about this I hope I'm wrong and Tory government falls

THEN the new coalition would OWN it
( Whatever 'it' is !)

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Did our PM really accuse Corbyn of "saying different things to different people" re Brexit at PMQs?

Even some lobby hacks felt constrained to point out the brass neck involved in that one.

May has told MPs that voting down her deal could leave to the UK staying in the EU (see 12.09pm) - but also that the UK will definitely leave the EU on 29 March next year (see 12.38pm.) These flatly contradictory statements came after Amber Rudd, the new work and pensions secretary, told the Today programme this morning that parliament would not allow a no deal Brexit. (See 9.18am.)

frog222 wrote:Well done !

adam wrote:edit---

May has told MPs that voting down her deal could leave to the UK staying in the EU (see 12.09pm) - but also that the UK will definitely leave the EU on 29 March next year (see 12.38pm.) These flatly contradictory statements came after Amber Rudd, the new work and pensions secretary, told the Today programme this morning that parliament would not allow a no deal Brexit. (See 9.18am.)

citizenJA wrote:

frog222 wrote: THEN the new coalition would OWN it
( Whatever 'it' is !)

Small comfort
peoples' lives, homes, careers, family, citizenship and reciprocal arrangements in place for decades are being played with here
I've written this before
I'm distressed by these proceedings

PorFavor wrote:I presume she's still on the 13th floor in Brussels?

PorFavor wrote:

PorFavor wrote:I presume she's still on the 13th floor in Brussells?

No she isn't - apparently she's round at the Ambassador's place, recording a statement. Why she's recording it is a mystery to me.
Edited - typo