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Grooming Nod


All Blacks wearing rainbow laces in support of Gareth Thomas

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-b ... eth-thomas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Constance has burnt the croissants...again.
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Looking at ‘possibilities’ on Toady, Hammond mentioned “no brexit” . Are they taking it in turns to slip it into the national consciousness ? Tsk , obviously not! Consciously .

Fascinating that this ex-Legatum, and currently IEA , character actually voted remain !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ying-in-eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While disagreeing with him on most things, such as this which I think is dotty —
Singham sees it differently, arguing that liberalised markets create opportunity and that free trade can restore faith in liberal democracy. ”

He’s right on this —
If we can’t say to people ‘we can protect you from competition that is unfair’,” he says, “they will choose a protectionist, populist leader to protect them from everything. That is why they elected Donald Trump, I think. That is why populism in Europe is so strong. And arguably you could say that is part of the reason for the Brexit vote.

The unrest here continues, an accurate depiction ( HT HindleA ) —
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... off-colour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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HindleA wrote:Grooming Nod


All Blacks wearing rainbow laces in support of Gareth Thomas

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-b ... eth-thomas" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Grooming nod to you too.

Surprisingly topical here in Huddersfield where the awful "grooming" story is back in the news.
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frog222 wrote:Looking at ‘possibilities’ on Toady, Hammond mentioned “no brexit” . Are they taking it in turns to slip it into the national consciousness ? Tsk , obviously not! Consciously .
Well, some cynics (including many in his own party) suspect that is what he would prefer anyway. I couldn't possibly comment, etc etc ;)
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Good morfternoon.
Brexit: anonymous Twitter account gives droll voice to Irish border row

@BorderIrish already has more than 45,000 followers, including the taoiseach (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... border-row
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Bit quiet today?
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ippr-study" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Giveaway budget leaves low-paid women worse off
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Hungover ? :-)
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ippr-study
Giveaway budget leaves low-paid women worse off
" Jess Phillips, chair of the women’s group of Labour MPs, said: “The government is not only failing to help the many women in work but is actually pushing those on low pay deeper into poverty. There should be proper impact assessments carried out which prevent them introducing policies which have such a devastating effect on so many, often single working women, and their children.”

A group of senior Tory MPs including five former Conservative cabinet ministers – David Davis, Justine Greening, Nicky Morgan, David Willetts and Iain Duncan Smith – are among those arguing that the benefit freeze is causing undue hardship. Morgan, now chair of the all-party treasury select committee, said: “There are now increases in public sector pay and there should be a link between benefits and wages. We always have to be wary as a party of being seen to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Did Hammond have any impact assessments ?
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Impact assessment don't stop enacting of policy.Some clearly state pernicious effects.
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And discrimination.All subect to behavioural change miracle cures,reincarnation etc.
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No ifs or buts I couldn't be arsed to read any of them.
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The DWP options given to us to offset reductions were impossible,hence my repeated "targeted" description.
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HindleA wrote:Impact assessment don't stop enacting of policy.Some clearly state pernicious effects.
FOI request by labour, perhaps ... ?
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Referring to times past,I haven't looked for a while but it didn't make any difference was my point.
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Presumes open to reason.
Necessary rooms deemed spare.
Not being terminally ill enough terminally ill is a lifestyle choice.
As above options to offset are an impossibility
Etc,etc

They are not reasonable people.
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Fairly uncompromising from Arlene Foster
Theresa May’s deal is worse than Jeremy Corbyn taking power, warns DUP leader Arlene Foster
As I suggested the other day...... The Union is everything for the DUP and if an "IRA sympathiser" in Downing St is the best way to preserve it, so be it! Strange days.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/part ... -dslnx6hb6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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It has to be said that "Bin the Backstop" has a certain ring to it!
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Point is "doing the right thing" is debatable,we were for us,but for the purposes of easy fit propaganda both angelic and sinners,responsible for the deficit and part of the long term economic plan at the same time.This transcends left/right,the particularity of reduction/paying back and much of the social care musings across the board present us as being unfair.
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I mean, its not as if the DUP haven't shared power at Stormont with their "sworn enemies" Sinn Fein for the best part of a decade or anything like that eh......
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HindleA wrote:Constance has burnt the croissants...again.
oh, damn it
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Bit quiet today?
burnt croissant cleanup & alternate breakfast provision duties
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https://www.times-series.co.uk/news/172 ... contracts/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Doubts over Barnet Council's Capita contracts
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frog222 wrote:Hungover ? :-)
I'm lately reading and writing using a computer more than is good for me
Cascading into winter blues
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Fairly uncompromising from Arlene Foster
Theresa May’s deal is worse than Jeremy Corbyn taking power, warns DUP leader Arlene Foster
As I suggested the other day...... The Union is everything for the DUP and if an "IRA sympathiser" in Downing St is the best way to preserve it, so be it! Strange days.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/part ... -dslnx6hb6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hmm, I dunno; I think Arlene is talking shite there, to stiffen May's spine.
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thaumaturge wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Fairly uncompromising from Arlene Foster
Theresa May’s deal is worse than Jeremy Corbyn taking power, warns DUP leader Arlene Foster
As I suggested the other day...... The Union is everything for the DUP and if an "IRA sympathiser" in Downing St is the best way to preserve it, so be it! Strange days.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/part ... -dslnx6hb6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hmm, I dunno; I think Arlene is talking shite there, to stiffen May's spine.
Possibly.

Interestingly Gibraltar seems to have suddenly popped back up to cause trouble for May.

I can't quite see what has happened, but feels like we've just abandoned them!
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Opening up an even stranger world where Jeremy Corbyn fights for the UK to retain sovereignty over Gibraltar!
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thaumaturge wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Fairly uncompromising from Arlene Foster
Theresa May’s deal is worse than Jeremy Corbyn taking power, warns DUP leader Arlene Foster
As I suggested the other day...... The Union is everything for the DUP and if an "IRA sympathiser" in Downing St is the best way to preserve it, so be it! Strange days.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/part ... -dslnx6hb6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Hmm, I dunno; I think Arlene is talking shite there, to stiffen May's spine.
Yep, you're likely right
That was my first reaction; Tory government's latest configuration will do anything protecting their leadership role. That's what they do. But I've thought more on their ruthlessly holding onto power. It only works if all act as a purely rational and single entity. Individually, they're not immune from anger and/or fear prompting a move bringing down their government.
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https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:---
Interestingly Gibraltar seems to have suddenly popped back up to cause trouble for May.

I can't quite see what has happened, but feels like we've just abandoned them!
(cJA edit)
All that's happened is a decision putting this latest into headlines
I'm probably too cynical
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Thanks for your insights JA
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Volunteers have told the Observer they are concerned about how their communities will cope this winter. In areas where the new benefit has been in place for months, the pressure on food banks has increased. Under the new system, people are made to wait for over a month to receive the benefit.

The Trussell Trust, which operates 428 food banks, reported in April that its facilities were four times busier in areas where the new credit had been in place for 12 months or more compared with those where it had been introduced more recently.
Not only are payments late or nonexistent, they're inadequate. Tory government knows their policy choices cause needless suffering for their compatriots.
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Members of government, don't harm yourself or anyone else through your actions and obtain good and impartial psychological counseling. I'm entirely serious.
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You can be an intentional fascist and enact knoweable harm with no remedy to offset-as with all benefit reforms the work thing is irrelevantt,very much the minority are jobseekers,only half of which ever claimed anyway or an ignorant fuckwit -I have much ire by the way for at best naive charities and left giving succour to the everybody agreed line .Fundamentally flawed as a concept,far from trapping it freed.
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Some influential people possess a cloaking capacity. They're free from relentless news coverage others have no choice but tolerate. Some enjoy and profit from the spotlight. News headlines are chosen. Sometimes environmental and other disasters affecting many and too large to bury force their way into attention; not always. The amount of time a tragedy receives mainstream media attention, how it's reported and on what page is chosen by no democratically accountable source.
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I don't wish to stifle freedom of speech
I want clean air, food, water and freedom from constant noise
I resent the space given to advertising I've no choice over seeing
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https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


NatWest close branches after housing-benefit protests
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Awful bank in my experience.
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"
Economic forecast soothe our dereliction
Words of euthanasia, apathy of sick routine
Carried away with useless advertising dreams
Blinding children, life as autonotomes

NatWest, NatWest-Barclays-Midlands-Lloyds
Blackhorse apocalypse
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HindleA wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssion=true
NatWest close branches after housing-benefit protests
" A landlord with a NatWest mortgage was last month refused a remortgage, and was threatened with the revocation of their existing mortgage because they were letting to a tenant, a vulnerable older woman, in receipt of housing benefit.

The landlord was then given an ultimatum demanding they either pay a large penalty fee or evict their tenant. "

" I was only obeying orders."
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http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Reflections on the Political Declaration
For anyone who hasn't had enough of Brexit, this blog post is a good summary of where we're at.

I'm still wondering if anyone will attempt to use the obvious leverage of helping May to get her deal through Parliament in return for making the political declaration somewhat "softer". Rumours of the Libdems filling the DUP void add to such speculation. Labour appear to be sticking to their guns on voting May's deal down but what about a reformed deal? Who knows. Rejecting it remains a leap into the dark. Forcing either a GE or referendum is not straightforward, that much is clear.
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Not unreasonable for Labour to offer to support an "improved" deal *after* this one is voted down, surely? Indeed, that seems the entirely rational way of looking at it.
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( edit this was to Willow 8.09 )

Unusually I 'thanked' before reading , just to encourage Willow and you others to keep thinking .... :-)
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Post deleted as I leapt to a conclusion :-)
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frog222 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssion=true
NatWest close branches after housing-benefit protests
" A landlord with a NatWest mortgage was last month refused a remortgage, and was threatened with the revocation of their existing mortgage because they were letting to a tenant, a vulnerable older woman, in receipt of housing benefit.

The landlord was then given an ultimatum demanding they either pay a large penalty fee or evict their tenant. "

" I was only obeying orders."
It's very common for buy-to-let mortgages to come with restrictions on renting to people on benefits. It's a huge problem. It's part of how banking is no longer serving society in the way it shoud, just as much as it illustrates the need for secure long term rental agreements, social housing and council housing. When so many renters are paying mortgages for landlords who don't even own the homes they are renting out, something is going very wrong. The landlord above with no real control of his property and how it's rented out is yet another symptom of our failing and corrupt banking system.

A banking system everyone agreed in 2008 needed urgently to be reformed only for Cameron to sweep into power in 2010 with the statement that it was "time to stop bashing the bankers". Time to stop?! We never even started.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... -claimants" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Most buy-to-let lenders refuse loans when tenants are on benefits
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Willow904 wrote:http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com ... ation.html
Reflections on the Political Declaration
For anyone who hasn't had enough of Brexit, this blog post is a good summary of where we're at.

I'm still wondering if anyone will attempt to use the obvious leverage of helping May to get her deal through Parliament in return for making the political declaration somewhat "softer". Rumours of the Libdems filling the DUP void add to such speculation. Labour appear to be sticking to their guns on voting May's deal down but what about a reformed deal? Who knows. Rejecting it remains a leap into the dark. Forcing either a GE or referendum is not straightforward, that much is clear.
Ministers' promises coming to absolutely nothing, no reckoning, no accountability when falling apart, serving up similar promises just calling them something else ending in more nothing, May's lies, using misleading terminology from the beginning of her premiership deliberately confusing what the hell is going on now, what's the House being asked to vote on? What does it mean for people and country? What's it purpose? Does it bind future Parliaments?

edited to add
I'm not asking this of you, Willow904 or the author of the blog. The contents served to remind me of all the duplicitous garbage thrown out by this government, that's all.
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Utterly duplicitous, disingenuous bullshit messing with the lives, property, employment, health and citizenship of millions of human beings for god damn what?
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citizenJA wrote:Utterly duplicitous, disingenuous bullshit messing with the lives, property, employment, health and citizenship of millions of human beings for god damn what?
One of the most intensely angering ones for me is the repetition of

FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT

with nobody qualifying it eg enforcing the EU 2004 Regs etc .

I find it infuriating that Labour is as dumb as the Tories on that one .

Running scared , of the electorate, and too gutless to educate them.
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