Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:02 am
Morning all.
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:21 am
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 7:23 am
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Mayor Sadiq Khan to look at imposing rent controls in London
Mayor Sadiq Khan to look at imposing rent controls in London
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 8:16 am
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Britain Can Decide On Its Own To Reverse Brexit Decision, ECJ Rules
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 8:18 am
Doesn't really help Theresa May with remain supporting MPs, but might give Brexiter rebels pause for thought.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 8:35 am
'Hedge funds make big bets against post-Brexit UK economy'
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 8:57 am
Morning all.
So, if May loses the vote heavily tomorrow will she have the courage to say "Right, since we cannot agree how this Brexit is to be achieved, I'm going to revoke Article 50 until such time we do. And we're going to have a Royal Commission set up inside a month with legal, constitutional, and economic experts to report back to parliament within, say 6 months to give us the options"?
That might just save her job IMO.
So, if May loses the vote heavily tomorrow will she have the courage to say "Right, since we cannot agree how this Brexit is to be achieved, I'm going to revoke Article 50 until such time we do. And we're going to have a Royal Commission set up inside a month with legal, constitutional, and economic experts to report back to parliament within, say 6 months to give us the options"?
That might just save her job IMO.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 9:15 am
Which is why she won't get support from her Tory colleagues!!!RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
So, if May loses the vote heavily tomorrow will she have the courage to say "Right, since we cannot agree how this Brexit is to be achieved, I'm going to revoke Article 50 until such time we do. And we're going to have a Royal Commission set up inside a month with legal, constitutional, and economic experts to report back to parliament within, say 6 months to give us the options"?
That might just save her job IMO.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 9:49 am
According to the Telegraph, May's Plan B is a second referendum...but without a Remain option.
I somehow doubt that would get parliamentary approval.
I somehow doubt that would get parliamentary approval.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 10:18 am
A Royal Commission to tell us what we already know?RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
So, if May loses the vote heavily tomorrow will she have the courage to say "Right, since we cannot agree how this Brexit is to be achieved, I'm going to revoke Article 50 until such time we do. And we're going to have a Royal Commission set up inside a month with legal, constitutional, and economic experts to report back to parliament within, say 6 months to give us the options"?
That might just save her job IMO.
Economic stability and the GFA require us to stay in the EU, there's no squaring that circle.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 10:35 am
But......a former inhabitant of this parish assured us that they NEVER work!HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... -in-london
Mayor Sadiq Khan to look at imposing rent controls in London
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 10:35 am
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So far I implicitly assumed that the EU does not mind if the UK remains in the EU despite almost certainly being a big PITA for a decade if Remain is achieved by emergency withdrawal of A50
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If this is not the case we get into the interesting situation where the UK could negotiate along the lines of “change the WA OR ELSE WE REMAIN” which would be funny, I guess.
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So far I implicitly assumed that the EU does not mind if the UK remains in the EU despite almost certainly being a big PITA for a decade if Remain is achieved by emergency withdrawal of A50
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If this is not the case we get into the interesting situation where the UK could negotiate along the lines of “change the WA OR ELSE WE REMAIN” which would be funny, I guess.
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 11:04 am
Speculation that this presages a delay to the vote.Cabinet ministers 'on standby for emergency conference call with PM' (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 11:04 am
Good morfternoon.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 11:53 am
Now being reported by multiple sources that tomorrow night's vote has been pulled.
Shambles doesn't really begin to cover it tbh.
Shambles doesn't really begin to cover it tbh.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:03 pm
That would be pretty funny if it was delayed given this earlier...
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Michael Gove says the meaningful vote is “100%” going ahead. #R4Today
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:04 pm
Less than an hour ago, a Number 10 spokesperson said it was "definitely" going ahead.
So........what has happened??
So........what has happened??
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:15 pm
Maybe May's phoning other EU leaders didn't get the expected or required response.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:18 pm
So this is Plan B-?
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:19 pm
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Breaking: The Prime Minister will be making an oral statement today at 330pm titled “Exiting the European Union”.
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:20 pm
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Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:25 pm
What, "unexpectedly", you mean?RogerOThornhill wrote:Maybe May's phoning other EU leaders didn't get the expected or required response.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:27 pm
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European commission says it will not renegotiate withdrawal agreement (Politics Live, Gardian)
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Or, as someone once said, "Nothing has changed."
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:30 pm
Three statements this afternoon apparently - May, Leadsom, and Barclay on Article 50.
I'm assuming the last doesn't just says "This doesn't change anything"...
I'm assuming the last doesn't just says "This doesn't change anything"...
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:54 pm
Not really the best advert for "taking back our sovereignty", is it? I mean, if we take it as a dry run, it's been a bit of an embarrassing failure, hasn't it?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Now being reported by multiple sources that tomorrow night's vote has been pulled.
Shambles doesn't really begin to cover it tbh.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:56 pm
19m ago 12:36
Corbyn says postponement of Brexit vote shows UK no longer has functioning government (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 12:59 pm
Isn't Theresa May worried that this arsing about might cause the civil unrest that keeps being alluded to?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 1:12 pm
Has someone got in touch with The Guinness Book of Records yet?
Longest can kick, Theresa May, December 2018*
*ongoing, record could be extended
Longest can kick, Theresa May, December 2018*
*ongoing, record could be extended
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 1:43 pm
They shouldn't leave it to late, there's only 14.4 civil unrest days until Xmas.PorFavor wrote:Isn't Theresa May worried that this arsing about might cause the civil unrest that keeps being alluded to?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 1:57 pm
As an aside - is Jeremy Hunt earlier saying that the revoking of Article 50 possibility "is irrelevant" his way of dismissing 48% of the electorate as "irrelevant"? Hardly a diplomatic statement from someone who is a Secretary of State in a government which claims to want to heal rifts.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:02 pm
I hesitate in a big way to come to their defense, but I do see the argument the government are making when they say 'it doesn't matter whether A50 can be revoked or not because we're not going to'. That, in itself, seems a perfectly logical argument to me. It gets in the way of people who have been saying 'you won't be able to revoke A50, we're stuck with it' (which has been part of the argument) and it doesn't help the government with the very long list of other problems they have (generally of their own making) but I think they're being at least reasonably consistent with this one.PorFavor wrote:As an aside - is Jeremy Hunt earlier saying that the revoking of Article 50 possibility "is irrelevant" his way of dismissing 48% of the electorate as "irrelevant"? Hardly a diplomatic statement from someone who is a Secretary of State in a government which claims to want to heal rifts.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:19 pm
adam wrote:I hesitate in a big way to come to their defense, but I do see the argument the government are making when they say 'it doesn't matter whether A50 can be revoked or not because we're not going to'. That, in itself, seems a perfectly logical argument to me. It gets in the way of people who have been saying 'you won't be able to revoke A50, we're stuck with it' (which has been part of the argument) and it doesn't help the government with the very long list of other problems they have (generally of their own making) but I think they're being at least reasonably consistent with this one.PorFavor wrote:As an aside - is Jeremy Hunt earlier saying that the revoking of Article 50 possibility "is irrelevant" his way of dismissing 48% of the electorate as "irrelevant"? Hardly a diplomatic statement from someone who is a Secretary of State in a government which claims to want to heal rifts.
You have a point - but it wasn't presented at all well by Jeremy Hunt. As I said, very dismissive. Offhanded, even, in a "yah boo sucks" sort of way.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:25 pm
Yes, absolutely. Something the I think the government have been quietly saying is 'we never doubted that this was the case' and I don't think they made any argument against it in the ECJ case - they might have been better off saying that than saying, as you say, that half the population's concerns are irrelevant.PorFavor wrote:adam wrote:I hesitate in a big way to come to their defense, but I do see the argument the government are making when they say 'it doesn't matter whether A50 can be revoked or not because we're not going to'. That, in itself, seems a perfectly logical argument to me. It gets in the way of people who have been saying 'you won't be able to revoke A50, we're stuck with it' (which has been part of the argument) and it doesn't help the government with the very long list of other problems they have (generally of their own making) but I think they're being at least reasonably consistent with this one.PorFavor wrote:As an aside - is Jeremy Hunt earlier saying that the revoking of Article 50 possibility "is irrelevant" his way of dismissing 48% of the electorate as "irrelevant"? Hardly a diplomatic statement from someone who is a Secretary of State in a government which claims to want to heal rifts.
You have a point - but it wasn't presented at all well by Jeremy Hunt. As I said, very dismissive. Offhanded, even, in a "yah boo sucks" sort of way.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:28 pm
Sky TV news keeps saying that Theresa May will be coming "live" from the Commons at 3.30pm. Half-live at best, politically speaking, surely?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:46 pm
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I can’t follow anymore. After two years of negotiations, the Tory government wants to delay the vote. Just keep in mind that we will never let the Irish down. This delay will further aggravate the uncertainty for people & businesses. It’s time they make up their mind! #brexit (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:49 pm
She should have had this confrontation with her party when she was elected leader - or should have made clear what was feasible before she was elected leader, although that might have led to Leadsome and no deal. Verhofstadt has it right
I can’t follow anymore. After two years of negotiations, the Tory government wants to delay the vote. Just keep in mind that we will never let the Irish down. This delay will further aggravate the uncertainty for people & businesses. It’s time they make up their mind!
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 2:56 pm
adam wrote:She should have had this confrontation with her party when she was elected leader - or should have made clear what was feasible before she was elected leader, although that might have led to Leadsome and no deal. Verhofstadt has it right
I can’t follow anymore. After two years of negotiations, the Tory government wants to delay the vote. Just keep in mind that we will never let the Irish down. This delay will further aggravate the uncertainty for people & businesses. It’s time they make up their mind!
Interesting that he writes "the Tory government" and not "the UK government". Or not?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 3:26 pm
If our policy is...
1. We won't agree to NI staying within the SM/CU (as we agreed in the December 2017 agreement)
2. We won't agree to the whole of the UK staying within the SM/CU
3. We can't present any other realistic proposals of how to settle this
... then isn't our policy a rather appropriately Northern Irish 'NEVER!'?
1. We won't agree to NI staying within the SM/CU (as we agreed in the December 2017 agreement)
2. We won't agree to the whole of the UK staying within the SM/CU
3. We can't present any other realistic proposals of how to settle this
... then isn't our policy a rather appropriately Northern Irish 'NEVER!'?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 4:01 pm
Bercow suggesting to the government that they're not actually in charge of parliament.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 4:02 pm
John Bercow puts Theresa May on the spot!
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 4:03 pm
Whoops!adam wrote:Bercow suggesting to the government that they're not actually in charge of parliament.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 4:04 pm
Unfortunately not able to watch the proceedings right now, but apparently MPs on both sides of the house are openly laughing at the PM.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 4:07 pm
David Lidington seems to have a slight facial tic that I've not noticed before today.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 5:22 pm
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'Foreign Office investigates reports that state-funded body targeted Corbyn'
'Foreign Office investigates reports that state-funded body targeted Corbyn'
The Institute for Statecraft, based in Fife, received hundreds of thousands of pounds in Foreign Office money.
According to the Sunday Mail , leaked documents show it tried to promote tweets calling the Labour leader a “useful idiot” who helped the Kremlin cause, and attacked members of his staff.
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:00 pm
tinybgoat wrote:They shouldn't leave it to late, there's only 14.4 civil unrest days until Xmas.PorFavor wrote:Isn't Theresa May worried that this arsing about might cause the civil unrest that keeps being alluded to?
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:00 pm
Good-evening, everyone
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:07 pm
I did a bit of holiday shopping and left the news alone for a day or two
Interesting developments
I like Guy Verhofstadt's sensible words
Interesting developments
I like Guy Verhofstadt's sensible words
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:17 pm
Donald Tusk (@eucopresident)
I have decided to call #EUCO on #Brexit (Art. 50) on Thursday. We will not renegotiate the deal, including the backstop, but we are ready to discuss how to facilitate UK ratification. As time is running out, we will also discuss our preparedness for a no-deal scenario. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:47 pm
Inner kindness surprisingly reveals MP quoting Margaret Thatcher (6,7).
Re: Monday 10th December 2018
Posted: Mon 10 Dec, 2018 6:50 pm
I think I may have mentioned before that I'm not his biggest fan. I thought he was terrible today.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Inner kindness surprisingly reveals MP quoting Margaret Thatcher (6,7).
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