Wednesday 19th December 2018
Posted: Wed 19 Dec, 2018 7:04 am
Morning all.
Median salary UK 2018 - 29,588 GBPhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... d-migrants" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
White paper to set out tough UK immigration regime post-Brexit
Minimum salary threshold of £30k-a-year will also apply to migrants from the EU27
Hmm...now why would Nick Cohen forget that Moseley "started out"as a Tory MP, then went Independent, then over to Labour? This is really basic history.Nick Cohen
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It was always there. Oswald Mosley started out in Labour. But Corbyn has supercharged it and vastly expanded it. Indeed he's made mass antisemitism inevitable. If you think he's a secular saint, you must dismiss the [true] accusations against him as a Jewish conspiracy
Presumably this is intentional?tinyclanger2 wrote:Median salary UK 2018 - 29,588 GBPhttps://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... d-migrants" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
White paper to set out tough UK immigration regime post-Brexit
Minimum salary threshold of £30k-a-year will also apply to migrants from the EU27
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According to the latest High Fliers report, The Graduate Market in 2016, the median starting salary for UK graduates in 2016 is £30,000. However, graduate-jobs.com estimates the average starting salary for graduates is £19,000 - £22,000.
I'm pretty sure it's the lower number - the higher one is a little higher than the one I found for 'graduates on high-flier graduate employment schemes' so sounds reasonable for that fairly small subgroup.tinyclanger2 wrote:Hmmm. Depends on what the current salary pattern of EU27 migrants looks like and what the effects of the ban is on wages.
Average post-doc salary in the UK seems to be around 35k
This is interesting from 2016:https://www.graduate-jobs.com/gco/Bookl ... laries.jsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
According to the latest High Fliers report, The Graduate Market in 2016, the median starting salary for UK graduates in 2016 is £30,000. However, graduate-jobs.com estimates the average starting salary for graduates is £19,000 - £22,000.
isn't it.It is worth recalling exactly how far away we now are from what was once blithely predicted about the “easiest trade deal in history”.
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Hopefully some people have informed him of this rather unfortunate and no doubt totally innocent lapse in his political knowledge?RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Hmm...now why would Nick Cohen forget that Moseley "started out"as a Tory MP, then went Independent, then over to Labour? This is really basic history.Nick Cohen
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It was always there. Oswald Mosley started out in Labour. But Corbyn has supercharged it and vastly expanded it. Indeed he's made mass antisemitism inevitable. If you think he's a secular saint, you must dismiss the [true] accusations against him as a Jewish conspiracy
Let me see now...nope, can't quite see what he's driving at...
They hadn't...AnatolyKasparov wrote:Hopefully some people have informed him of this rather unfortunate and no doubt totally innocent lapse in his political knowledge?RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Hmm...now why would Nick Cohen forget that Moseley "started out"as a Tory MP, then went Independent, then over to Labour? This is really basic history.Nick Cohen
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It was always there. Oswald Mosley started out in Labour. But Corbyn has supercharged it and vastly expanded it. Indeed he's made mass antisemitism inevitable. If you think he's a secular saint, you must dismiss the [true] accusations against him as a Jewish conspiracy
Let me see now...nope, can't quite see what he's driving at...
I usually like what Diane Abbott has to say on immigration but I'm a bit disappointed by this. It was under the Coalition that immigration laws were changed that had previously protected the Windrush generation from deportation and it was under the Coalition that rules were introduced that prevents people who have insufficient documentation from being able to work or rent a home while they are trying to sort out their status. There were some issues with some people who had left the country who had difficulties when they tried to return to the UK under the previous Labour governnent, but it is the changes under the Coalition government that created a "hostile" ( as opposed to simply bureaucratic and imperfect) environment. I feel Abbott is unnecessarily letting the Coalition government, and the Home Office under Theresa May, off the hook from creating the specific hardships and difficulties that people have been experiencing in recent years.Abbott says Javid cannot have it both ways; he cannot argue for an open economy, but also favour a crackdown on immigration.
She says Javid is entitled to say that Labour’s record on this was flawed. She knows, she says; she voted against it at the time.
She says the Windrush scandal showed how migrants were victimised by a hostile environment. She accepts that more than one government was to blame for this.
I've tried to read a number of alternatives into the video and I can't see anything else there. I'm not any kind of expert at all (and of course the BBC have already got Evelyn Glennie to comment on it) but I think that's what he said, and however completely insignificant it is compared to the complete clusterfuck of the government, and however much of a dangerous idiot May is, and she is, he was still stupid to say it, on camera, on the front bench. What else would you expect the tories to do with this? It's a gift.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Even if Corbyn said "stupid woman" (and the lip reading evidence is inconclusive at best) so what?
Fake performative centrist "outrage" is my new jam.
She is a woman and I think that she is stupid. Is calling someone a woman now considered sexist\misogynistic? I think that the word "woman" being considered an insult is a step backwards for equality, rather than otherwise.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Even if Corbyn said "stupid woman" (and the lip reading evidence is inconclusive at best) so what?
Fake performative centrist "outrage" is my new jam.
The conservatives are ridiculous and absurd hypocrites who crowed with glee when Cameron told Angela Eagle to 'Calm down dear' (and he refused to apologise) and it's absurd that this is the headline when both us and the EU are saying 'we're getting ready for no deal now' but, again, it's a gift to them and what else would you expect them to do. I understand how it can be argued that he was using the word 'woman' as a perjorative term and not just as a neutral description, if you were minded to argue that, as all of the press will be.PorFavor wrote:She is a woman and I think that she isstupid. Is calling someone a woman now considered sexist\misogynistic? I think that the word "woman" being considered an insult is a step backwards for equality, rather than otherwise.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Even if Corbyn said "stupid woman" (and the lip reading evidence is inconclusive at best) so what?
Fake performative centrist "outrage" is my new jam.
I couldn't agree more with this, obviously.PorFavor wrote:She is a woman and I think that she is stupid.
Sadly some people on social media are saying it's totally fine in their scramble to defend Corbyn which is a shame. It's not totally fine, it's not a very nice thing to say and it's slightly misogynist. What I hope they mean is that it's not a big deal (if he did say it, which he says he didn't). We all say things that aren't nice sometimes and put alongside the stuff Cameron used to come out with week in week out its pretty mild in the misogynist stakes as well.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Even if Corbyn said "stupid woman" (and the lip reading evidence is inconclusive at best) so what?
Fake performative centrist "outrage" is my new jam.
And I would like a pony.Willow904 wrote:Sadly some people on social media are saying it's totally fine in their scramble to defend Corbyn which is a shame. It's not totally fine, it's not a very nice thing to say and it's slightly misogynist. What I hope they mean is that it's not a big deal (if he did say it, which he says he didn't). We all say things that aren't nice sometimes and put alongside the stuff Cameron used to come out with week in week out its pretty mild in the misogynist stakes as well.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Even if Corbyn said "stupid woman" (and the lip reading evidence is inconclusive at best) so what?
Fake performative centrist "outrage" is my new jam.
Personally I'm pleased that the Tory party has developed a new found sensitivity about the language used to talk about, and to, women. I'm expecting much higher standards among their number from here on in. And long overdue it is too.
Philip Hammond accused of calling fellow Tory MP 'stupid woman'
Philip Hammond was last night accused of branding a fellow Conservative MP a “stupid woman”. The Chancellor appeared to make the comment about pro-Brexit campaigner Andrea Jenkyns on Wednesday after she asked Theresa May a loaded question at PMQs. The Morley and Outwood MP took aim at the Chequers plan on Brexit as she asked the Prime Minister: “At what point was it decided Brexit meant Remain?” Professional lip readers told the Sun that Mr Hammond - who was seated next to Mrs May on the frontbench - had mouthed the words “stupid woman” in response.
Well she did say he could (something along the lines of) ' get as angry as he likes', in response to one of his questions ...AnatolyKasparov wrote:The claim is being made that he actually said "stupid people".
And I side more with PF on the "was it bad if he actually *did* say it" question.
Ha ha, knew it!adam wrote:Last February
Philip Hammond accused of calling fellow Tory MP 'stupid woman'
Philip Hammond was last night accused of branding a fellow Conservative MP a “stupid woman”. The Chancellor appeared to make the comment about pro-Brexit campaigner Andrea Jenkyns on Wednesday after she asked Theresa May a loaded question at PMQs. The Morley and Outwood MP took aim at the Chequers plan on Brexit as she asked the Prime Minister: “At what point was it decided Brexit meant Remain?” Professional lip readers told the Sun that Mr Hammond - who was seated next to Mrs May on the frontbench - had mouthed the words “stupid woman” in response.
Quote in the guardian that somebody like Farage could try to use a by-election to make a point.Unanimous guilty verdict from the jury in Fiona Onasanya MP trial that she lied and falsified information over who was driving her car when it was caught by a speed camera in Thorney.
Yes it's a shame he does take his own quiet man epithet more seriously!PorFavor wrote:Iain Duncan Smith has (thankfully) been very quiet today. Yesterday, he said he was coming over to Theresa May's side. Which is odd, since he's been talking up the benefits of a "No Deal Brexit". I'd have thought he'd have been one of the last people to be persuaded by the doom scenarios (project fear and all that). Of course, no one challenged him.
Well, I know what you mean . . .PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Yes it's a shame he does take his own quiet man epithet more seriously!PorFavor wrote:Iain Duncan Smith has (thankfully) been very quiet today. Yesterday, he said he was coming over to Theresa May's side. Which is odd, since he's been talking up the benefits of a "No Deal Brexit". I'd have thought he'd have been one of the last people to be persuaded by the doom scenarios (project fear and all that). Of course, no one challenged him.
Whenever I think of Peterborough I think of Heron's Flight.AnatolyKasparov wrote:You would have thought no MP would try to pull that stunt, given the Huhne precedent. FFS!
OK how about this for a "bantz" scenario:
1) Tories win resultant by-election;
2) As happened last year, PM is encouraged by this to call a snap election (again)
3) It all goes horribly wrong (again)
4) As a result, this time Corbyn is PM?
Bercow grants emergency Commons debate on no-deal Brexit planning
John Bercow, the speaker, has just accepted a request from Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, for an emergency debate on the government’s no-deal Brexit planning.
The debate will start shortly, and run til 7pm. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Now we've officially established that article 50 can be unilaterally revoked, I think the next step is to establish the last possible date for deciding to do so as I haven't even seen any speculation on that yet. I am assuming that the Withdrawal Act would have to be repealed if we decided to halt Brexit. Does anyone have any idea how long that would take?PorFavor wrote:Bercow grants emergency Commons debate on no-deal Brexit planning
John Bercow, the speaker, has just accepted a request from Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, for an emergency debate on the government’s no-deal Brexit planning.
The debate will start shortly, and run til 7pm. (Politics Live, Guardian)
As for ratification on the EU side, the European Parliament says it will need six to eight weeks to complete the process. And it plans to vote on the issue in mid-March, just a couple of weeks before the UK is due to leave.
I'm glad I didn't.PorFavor wrote:I had the misfortune to catch Brendan O'Neill on TV last night. What to say?
Constitutional crisis - we'd better put the kettle on.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... l-13756362" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Government quietly edits no-deal Brexit preparation documents to remove the word 'unlikely'
The Government has removed the phrase "in the unlikely event of a no-deal Brexit' from dozens of technical notices
And of course PTOhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 90511.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The NHS has pointed out that doctors and nurses routinely earn less than a limit of £30,000, fearing such a regime could trigger a staffing crisis.