Thursday 20th December 2018

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:50 am

Morning

Just got an email from the Conservatives

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:51 am

Morning.

Calling someone stupid (or not). So much worse than dragging the country into hell.

Post by **adam** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:51 am

'Called for women only train carriages'? How very misogynistic.

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:16 am

Watched the clip this morning...and Mrs May's performance .

Would have been funnier if Mr Corbyn had said 'calm down dear' ( to quote a previous Tory Leader )

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:37 am

Good morfternoon.

Jeremy Corbyn has now sent up drones over Gatwick airport, disrupting many people's Christmas plans in order to distract the press. It seems to have been quite a successful ploy, but - what a selfish bastard, eh?

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:52 am

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/brexit ... meetings-w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Revealed: Arron Banks Brexit campaign's 'secret' meetings with Cambridge Analytica"

Leaked emails show Leave.EU misled parliament and UK regulator about meetings with controversial Trump-linked firm – where they discussed targeting British voters. Steve Bannon was included in correspondence.

Obv. not in same league as Corbyn's misdemeanour, but still...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:05 am

adam wrote:'Called for women only train carriages'? How very misogynistic.

Well, that is also disputable as it happens.

(didn't he actually just say it was one of a range of things that should be considered)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:12 am

There's a clip doing the rounds on twitter of Soubz calling Ed M a sanctimonious c*. Charming.

The third time I saw the Corbyn bit, I tried to erase 'woman' from my mind and think 'people', and I could indeed see him say people. Also my first thought before I saw it at all was that it didn't seem like him, he gives the impression of being quite courteous.
Does seeing it as a response to May put 'woman' in our heads? Undoubtedly true, either way.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:13 am

I don't much like Adam Boulton (Sky TV news), but I do like the way that he consistently refers to the 2016 Referendum as the third referendum.

Edited to add -

Oh, it's early - but you get my drift (I hope) . . .

Edited -

OK - I'll clarify now that I'm more awake.

What he means is that, if we have a "second" referendum (or "People's Vote") it will be the third referendum on EU membership.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:27 am

gilsey wrote:There's a clip doing the rounds on twitter of Soubz calling Ed M a sanctimonious c*. Charming.

She is denying that and threatening people with legal action if they repeat it on Twitter, apparently

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:50 am

Meanwhile, the BBC reports from Hartlepool on universal credit, welfare reform wasn't intended to make poor areas poorer, they told us at the beginning.

The ONS reports on deaths of homeless people.
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The study showed an estimated 597 homeless people died in 2017 (almost 12 people a week), an increase of 24% over the last five years

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 10:56 am

Brokenshire's statement on deaths of homeless people

James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, is now responding to the urgent question on the deaths of homeless people.

If the government needs to do more, it will. (Politics Live, Guardian)

If?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 12:16 pm

Nothing to do with me, guv.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rokenshire" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 12:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Brokenshire's statement on deaths of homeless people

James Brokenshire, the communities secretary, is now responding to the urgent question on the deaths of homeless people.

If the government needs to do more, it will. (Politics Live, Guardian)
If?

Its almost like the government is some disinterested, disembodied entity with no actual responsibility for anything.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 2:58 pm

MPs launch bid to amend finance bill to rule out no-deal Brexit without Commons approval

A cross-party group of MPs, including select committee chairs, has tabled an amendment to the finance bill designed to stop the UK leaving the EU without a deal. It says clause 89 of the finance bill would only be allowed to come into force if there was either a Brexit deal, or a decision to extend article 50, or a vote in the Commons specifically approving a no deal Brexit.

Clause 89 of the bill would give the government the power to keep tax law working in the event of a no deal Brexit.

According to ITV’s Robert Peston, the amendment could be put to a vote on Tuesday 8 January, when MPs will debate the remaining stages of the finance bill.

The amendment has been tabled by Yvette Cooper (Politics Live, Guardian)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 3:05 pm

Good to see both Cooper and Benn jnr doing useful stuff on this.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 6:13 pm

Good-evening, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 6:34 pm

A European court of justice decision allowing the UK to unilaterally revoke Article 50 has been rubber-stamped by the highest court in Scotland. As the Press Association reports, the Luxembourg court ruled last week the UK can go back on its decision to start the Brexit process without the agreement of the other 27 EU member states. It referred the case back to the court of session in Edinburgh where a hearing before three judges took place today, which approved the decision. Judge Lord Carloway said: “This court will grant a declarator which mirrors the decision of the court of justice of the European Union.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... dc52e61174" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I like the reminder of the ECJ ruling

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 6:42 pm

I'll never forget the actions of Tory government
They've made choices; nothing forces their actions

Post by **refitman** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 6:43 pm

Good riddance to Ivan Lewis.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 6:58 pm

Confused sodden hag infers Corbyn's guilt from absence of law suit (3,6).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:01 pm

Nails wives hammered. Resigns (4,5).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:27 pm

A good rule of thumb for the Tory mindset is to reverse.
Increase in homelessness and consequences is directly linked to policies and the statistical certainties of "record numbers" otherwise quite obviously have fuck all to do with them

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:29 pm

Further the more "Christian" the less so.If you are a Christian you don't have to say so,you just are.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:30 pm

"I am my brothers'/sisters' tormentors"

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 7:36 pm

Anatoly. You know you said something completely unrelated to Brexit might bring down the Government?

How good are you at flying drones?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:03 pm

It was a photo finish in the pump truck scooter race,so called it a draw.Avoiding work can be such fun.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:07 pm

Used to live near Gatwick.
Had a daily free paper from a Copthorne ,it was just sitting on a table.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:13 pm

Pallet stacking race tomorrow,more arduous but still good fun.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:14 pm

refitman wrote:Good riddance to Ivan Lewis.

I have heard quite a few unflattering things about him.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:15 pm

Ivor the Finn will be hard to beat.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:17 pm

It's Private Eye Xmas crossword again,how time flies.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:35 pm

HindleA wrote:It's Private Eye Xmas crossword again,how time flies.

Well you'll have to make do with that because I'm afraid mine isn't ready yet....

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:43 pm

Great journalism again from the Huddersfield Examiner

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/wes ... s-15580122" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

People scavenging in bins, 200,000 meals handed out by food bank and £1m debt for the council - this is what Universal Credit has done for Huddersfield

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:46 pm

Your clues are superior and less dirty(most of the time)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:48 pm

Remember it has barely started.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 8:57 pm

HindleA wrote:Remember it has barely started.

Is that a crossword clue? Or a comment on UC?

I'm really pleased that our venerable local paper isn't shying away from calling UC for what it is. Can you imagine a sub-head like that in any of the national media? Even the Guardian.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:09 pm

Agreed

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:13 pm

Miniscule numbers of the "complex".We were supposedly,a child of nine of average ability could work it out in a couple of minutes.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:14 pm

Granted they have complexified ,by non inclusion,the simple.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:15 pm

Not just UC but "related",not just income.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:19 pm

They will spend far more money remedying the now missing and present as listening/compassion when they purposefully removed in the first place(largely through legal requirement,building up case law etc)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:21 pm

Benefits save money,I have no compassion I object to the atrocious waste of resources.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:21 pm

My first belly laugh of the day is thanks to the Tweeter who wrote I'm a professional lip reader and he definitely said "weeple".

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:25 pm

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit- ... omime/amp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Cinderella and the leopard print slipper: A Brexit pantomime"
Probably no belly laughs,
but Interesting casting, David Cameron & Nigel Farage both play the rear end of a pantomime horse.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:40 pm

I only have to look in a mirror to achieve hysterical laughter.I don't know what it finds so funny.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:44 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 92556.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Blunder"

Post by **refitman** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:44 pm

Mark Ingall representing Bush Fair
‏ @cllringall

The Tories tried to sneak this news out, buried at the bottom of a long statement, only hours before parliament breaks up for Christmas.

They really wouldn't want the story to be extensively re-tweeted would they?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... d-13759629" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories admit more than 4,500 disabled people were wrongly stripped of benefits

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:50 pm

Rogue DWP needs abolishing,it's base mindset/culture retains regardless of party or "leadership,Ministerial or organisational.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Dec, 2018 9:54 pm

It shouldn't have the contingent responsibilities it has.