Saturday 29th & Sunday 30th December 2018

[Willow904]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... l-defender" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Flood defences: how willow proved to be a natural defender

Caught my eye for some reason. Can't think why.

[PorFavor]

Still doing his "playhouse" occasionally on R4/4xtra.

"You'll have had your tea,".

[PorFavor]

The absence of a "PTO" has been noted.

Edited to add -

Blatant dereliction of duty.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Indeed, as with so much else let us hope for better in 2019

[HindleA]

The absence of a "PTO" has been noted.

Edited to add -

Blatant dereliction of duty.

???

[gilsey]

This thread's getting praised but as far as I can see falls into the same traps as the original campaign.
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I know there's at least one here who'd dispute this.

total disengagement from Labour

Then there's this.

they thought a country-wide referendum electorate as fundamentally rational - as middle class - as the Cameron hinterlands.

Where to start?

[AnatolyKasparov]

Well maybe the point is its not as bad as some #FBPE stuff (or, indeed, Kate Godfrey stuff) But yes, there are still some rather glaring holes in the "analysis".

[Willow904]

This thread's getting praised but as far as I can see falls into the same traps as the original campaign.
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I know there's at least one here who'd dispute this.

total disengagement from Labour

Then there's this.

they thought a country-wide referendum electorate as fundamentally rational - as middle class - as the Cameron hinterlands.

Where to start?

A majority of Tory voters (and that would have made them Cameron voters in 2015) ended up voting leave so they were right about the key constituent they needed to win over to remain in order to win. Just wrong about their level of rationality, I guess.

And Labour was invisible during the referendum campaign. I'm not saying that's due to lack of trying, the media may have under-reported, but Labour definitely lacked the influence and impact that they had during the Scottish independence vote.

Overall the campaign was lazy (rather like the PM who led it) but the main mistake was to try to undo 30 years of drip, drip anti-EU propaganda in just 6 months. Indeed, it was such an obvious mistake, it's hard to believe it was a mistake at all and not a deliberate dive on the part of Cameron who demanded a white paper from the SNP in support of their referendum, which was announced 2 years before the vote, but placed no such demands or safeguards on his own.

[HindleA]

What is rational anyway, I don't have to avoid work for 60 odd hours a week for the legal minimum, pay to stagger around for miles on end, bore the shit of people here etc,playing the martyr/masochism is a fundamental part of being human,regardless of supposed class.

[AnatolyKasparov]

And Labour was invisible during the referendum campaign. I'm not saying that's due to lack of trying, the media may have under-reported, but Labour definitely lacked the influence and impact that they had during the Scottish independence vote.

A bit to unpack there, firstly the "lack of visibility" was due to not repeating the Scottish mistake and doing joint platforms with Dave/Gidiot. Indeed, thanks to the swift electoral consequences of that we can likely say Labour won't be in a hurry to do any more "joint campaigns" in future referendums any time soon.

The media were mostly too lazy to report Labour's pro-remain campaigning, it was easier in all senses for them to treat it as just an inter-Tory battle. And then there is the inconvenient fact that the official "head" of that campaign - Alan Johnson - was more than a bit lazy themselves

[HindleA]

People spend massive amounts to get intoxicated and gauge their enjoyment by the extent of them not remembering it.I used to,I make no judgement.

[HindleA]

If is my designated duty to do the PTO,I want at least an offer of an MBE,so I can refuse it.

[HindleA]

I would say the extent of "visibility" or not does not result in a unique response.

[HindleA]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... l-13793289" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


250,000 disabled people told to fill in 'senseless' 45-page form to win back their benefits



Nothing new in this by the rogue department,I was expected to furnish five years of wage slips pertaining to ten years previously already given.

[HindleA]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 0-13791144" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[HindleA]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 85596.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[HindleA]

Screw compassion and satisfying sufficient neediness for the glorification of others return the necessary complexity,restore the removed and mutually beneficial economic sense of timely

[HindleA]

What lesson is supposedly learnt beyond the State can enact misanthropy and false economic fuckwittery with general support in principle?

[HindleA]

And the to the point of reverence regard for deemed experts who knew naff all and know now even less?

[HindleA]

Yoda I think turned into I've.

[adam]

Yoda turned into I have

FIFY

[adam]

Today's 'who'd have thought it' cracker...

No-deal Brexit ferry company owns no ships and has never run Channel service

Seaborne hopes to operate freight ferries from Ramsgate from late March, beginning with two ships and increasing to four by the end of the summer. But Paul Messenger, a Conservative county councillor for Ramsgate, questioned whether the government had carried out sufficient checks on the firm, telling the BBC: “It has no ships and no trading history so how can due diligence be done?

I think Chris Morris needs to come up with some kind of app that will automatically have him read these headlines in the style of The Day Today.

[adam]

Goodness, I go looking for a trailer for the essential New Years Eve film and find the whole thing on youtube

No Surrender

Can't find a trailer - here's a clip. New Years Eve, Liverpool, 80s. The new manager of a club arrives for his first night to find his predecessor has double booked NYE parties for the Orange Lodge pensioner's association and the Catholic Pensioner's Club.

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