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*literally countless denied no longer with us,immeasurably pleased he survived,not dying is winning despite their best efforts.

LauraK announces an event this morning which she thinks is the Labour split!

BTW if anyone has noticed a change in posting style from me it's because I have a new device and am not fully in control yet

The banana splits?

Is that an euphemism?

Or a fucking long anagram?

Apologies for swearing,purely for emphasis.

Impurely for emphasis

Morning all.

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BREAKING: Labour MPs will call themselves the Independent Group

So, anyone taking bets as to who and how many?

I'd like to ignore the splitters and I suspect they'll sink without trace, but

He says it would be irresponsible to allow Jeremy Corbyn to be prime minister

Statement

https://theindependent.group/statement

Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise.

Interesting to see whether they get any from across the floor.

So 7 MPs, one more than the predicted top end number of 6. I think Gavin Shuker is the dark horse?

"7 dwarves" according to twitter. Might catch on.

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A party split in British politics feels like a historic moment, but in Italy it's just known as 'Monday'. In the last parliament, 347 MPs changed party, for a grand total of 566 switches. An MP changed party *nine times* in the last term.

Willow904 wrote:So 7 MPs, one more than the predicted top end number of 6. I think Gavin Shuker is the dark horse?

"7 dwarves" according to twitter. Might catch on.

No, that is Ann Coffey.

Shuker has been one of the biggest whiners and moaners in the PLP for years.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

Willow904 wrote:So 7 MPs, one more than the predicted top end number of 6. I think Gavin Shuker is the dark horse?

"7 dwarves" according to twitter. Might catch on.

No, that is Ann Coffey.

Shuker has been one of the biggest whiners and moaners in the PLP for years.

Coffey was definitely linked to the split rumours, though, so it must be Berger that was unexpected. I know there was speculation about her, but thinking back I don't remember her being specifically linked to those rumoured to be definitely thinking of quitting.

The new grouping has been welcomed by Katie Hopkins

At least we won't have to endure the Luciana Berger special guard story this year!

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Stoked about Journalist Twitter finally getting its own political party, congrats guys, we did it

Thankfully my Twitter feed is largely free of politics...when I set up my new account I steered clear of that stuff.

Shame it wasn't the real charlatan anti careerists advancing their careers leeching off the party whilst it is convenient.Of course celebrating,playing the naive like fools.

I pledge to still be there when these arseholes are gone,which of course they will be once it has served their purpose."Historical amnesia rebounds "

Well, this is an interesting theory...

https://twitter.com/StewartWood/status/ ... 0978717698

But as this seems to make clear there are only 2 ways that a snap election can happen under a FTP.

https://constitution-unit.com/2017/04/1 ... -election/

* either two thirds of all MPs must vote for the election;
* or the government must lose a vote of confidence and fourteen days must pass without the successful creation of a new government.

I guess the 7 might find out how popular their stand is with their local electorate sooner than they thought - unless the idea was to force one, and when (or if) Corbyn loses, have him resign.

It was reported this morning that the "plan" was that none of the defecting MPs would stand in their present seats next time.

(but in "target constituencies" - wherever they might be - instead)

I've seen a few people agreeing with him, assuming it would be the same as 2017 ie May calls for it with the tories on board. But would they be?

The Honda announcement wouldn't exactly make for the best backdrop against which Theresa May would be going to the country asking for a vote of confidence in her handling of Brexit. A snap election would be a risky punt, not really her style.

Putting the Magnificent Seven in the media spotlight was always going to be risky. Angela Smith is a disaster!

#funnytinge is worth a look!

Good-afternoon, everyone

Maybe it's a ruse to con Tories into calling a GE

@ja

Independence will look great great with their funny tinged rosettes

Has anyone seen government today?

citizenJA wrote:Has anyone seen government today?

Good point JA

Saving the planet thanks to Gove it seems

On the other hand,a pretty.pathetic result for the fake socialists despite their relentless efforts,far too many suckered by their chicanery having said that.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Putting the Magnificent Seven in the media spotlight was always going to be risky. Angela Smith is a disaster!

She could certainly give Andrea Leadsom a run for her money, though.

What they always forget is that attempted cleansing operations can reaffirm commitment for the non purists.Going Nowhere,do your worst.

@PF @HA thanks for posts

The Tweet that made laugh out loud was she didn't say funny tinge she said stupid woman

The Independence Group are to enter the General Election with their campaign song Tinge can only get better

Thanks someone on Twitter

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Japan almost cancelled Brexit talks due to 'high-handed' letter – report

Mr citizen has come home and I'm so happy to see him. I looked for government and found nothing of substance.
I'm in agreement with HindleA's sentiments regarding Labour's current affairs. I'm searching for reasonable meaning, responsible action and coming up with little. Perhaps they've decided to sacrifice themselves, splitting the Tory vote and not Labour's. It could happen.
If I voted Labour, I'd expect the Labour elected MP to stay Labour unless they've disgraced themselves and need to leave the party.
I'm going to read a book now. I love you all.
Goodnight.
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Ambulance crew forced to hide in house in Hull after attack

#ToryBritain

Hate to say it, but I think that radical change to UK politics (lots more parties plus PR) is one of not very many ways forward for the (aristocracy-laden) UK to move forwards now

tinyclanger2 wrote:Hate to say it, but I think that radical change to UK politics (lots more parties plus PR) is one of not very many ways forward for the (aristocracy-laden) UK to move forwards now

But that is not going to be the outcome of this is it?

The outcome is a destroyed Labour Party - the last gift of the failed politics of the left that we have seen across Europe. What will step into he breach will probably be less edifying and we may be thankful for FPTP in the future when the consequences of Brexit hit.

These consequences will be marked as the consequence of today and the reported reaction of the PLP is going to be, at best, May's deal but more worryingly a Tory led trade negotiation that cannot bring anything positive at the end of it because ideologically they are hard right.

All Labour's work in trying to look for an alternative to a Tory Brexit is now (probably) in tatters and all that difficult tightrope working will come to nothing.

A sad day, I consider myself fortunate to live abroad and be slightly sheltered from the fallout but it gives me no pleasure to say that.

I will be interested to read books in the future about the machinations of the PLP in the future, certain MPs and their motivation.

In all this we have a report today about the referendum campaigns and the dark politics that went on. Hardly mentioned and focus on the egos of seven rather underachieving (to be kind) MPs. I don't think that Brexit is really that much on their list of concerns

Lots of stories about more people lined up to join Shit Club 7 but no names yet.

I can't imagine why May would call an election, unless it was a sneaky device to enable her to run away. At the moment she is at least (from her and the ERG's perspective) in charge. You could end up with some kind of short term coalition settling something like Labour's proposals after a general election. I repeat myself, but last time she had a massive poll lead, had just won, as government, an opposition seat in a by election that hadn't happened for a generation or two, and genuinely seemed poised to win a big majority. This time she's the appalling campaigner who came close to throwing it all away two years ago against an opposition who were much much more popular than anybody ahd believed they could be. She's got three more years - why risk it?