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Another principled stand (sic)...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47330079" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And guess what, no by-election...
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'hard left' :roll:


As usual, I put QT on to see what was going on, and as usual switched over again toot sweet. This time Chris Leslie and Andy MacDonald were having a go at each other, if they'd been in a pub they'd have been told to take it outside.

Slagging off Shami Chakrabarti isn't a good look whoever's doing it.
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The isolated impact of government policy has reduced GDP growth every single year since 2010. After compounding this effect year-on-year, the effects of austerity are expected to have suppressed the level of GDP by almost £100 billion in the 2018/​19 alone.
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Rumour is that Austin asked if he could join TIG and they said no, even they don't want him :D
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gilsey wrote:'hard left' :roll:


As usual, I put QT on to see what was going on, and as usual switched over again toot sweet. This time Chris Leslie and Andy MacDonald were having a go at each other, if they'd been in a pub they'd have been told to take it outside.

Slagging off Shami Chakrabarti isn't a good look whoever's doing it.

And a random someone in the audience just happens to be a former UKIP parliamentary candidate...

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I'm shocked etc.
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Leslie had a mare last night according to several (fairly objective) accounts. Shame there wasn't a Sky review of this one.
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Did we see this?

MP Chris Davies charged with forgery over expenses claims

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47320171
Mr Davies said: "I am very disappointed at today's announcement by the CPS.

"I have explained previously the circumstances that led to the investigation, relating to events dating back to when I was a newly-elected MP over three years ago.

"I will now speak to my lawyers and my colleagues in Parliament. I have nothing further to say about the matter at this time."
Quite obviously they didn't believe you...
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Thought fleetingly this was the notorious MP for Shipley, and am slightly disappointed it isn't.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Rumour is that Austin asked if he could join TIG and they said no, even they don't want him :D
His Brexit position is at complete odds with the members of the Independent Group, so it seems strange he would want to join them.
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gilsey wrote:https://neweconomics.org/2019/02/auster ... -this-year
The isolated impact of government policy has reduced GDP growth every single year since 2010. After compounding this effect year-on-year, the effects of austerity are expected to have suppressed the level of GDP by almost £100 billion in the 2018/​19 alone.
Hammond didn't crow yesterday over the latest ONS public sector finance report. I wondered about that.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Did we see this?

MP Chris Davies charged with forgery over expenses claims
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47320171
Mr Davies said: "I am very disappointed at today's announcement by the CPS.

"I have explained previously the circumstances that led to the investigation, relating to events dating back to when I was a newly-elected MP over three years ago.

"I will now speak to my lawyers and my colleagues in Parliament. I have nothing further to say about the matter at this time."
Quite obviously they didn't believe you...
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Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Rumour is that Austin asked if he could join TIG and they said no, even they don't want him :D
His Brexit position is at complete odds with the members of the Independent Group, so it seems strange he would want to join them.
Not so strange to anyone who knows what he is actually like ;)
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Thought fleetingly this was the notorious MP for Shipley, and am slightly disappointed it isn't.
I know one of the Shipley Feminist Zealots, as it happens. He's probably proud of having his own personal opposition.

If you remember, there was a rumour on 2017 election night that he'd lost his seat, that was disappointing.
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People don't know, though.

All they see are MPs so fed up with Corbyn's leadership, they've taken the extreme step of quitting, despite it meaning they are likely to lose their seats at the next general election.

For people worrying about EU travel arrangements and businesses worrying about whether they'll even be trading in a couple of months time, for UK citizens living in the EU worrying about whether they will still have healthcare after 29th March, the gleeful demands for by-elections may seem a little petty and self-absorbed. We don't need a circus, we need our politicians to work together to find a resolution to this mess.
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Willow904 wrote:People don't know, though.

All they see are MPs so fed up with Corbyn's leadership, they've taken the extreme step of quitting, despite it meaning they are likely to lose their seats at the next general election.

For people worrying about EU travel arrangements and businesses worrying about whether they'll even be trading in a couple of months time, for UK citizens living in the EU worrying about whether they will still have healthcare after 29th March, the gleeful demands for by-elections may seem a little petty and self-absorbed. We don't need a circus, we need our politicians to work together to find a resolution to this mess.
All threatened with deselection anyway I think?

Sadly, politicians and the media much prefer the circus.
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Willow904 wrote:People don't know, though
So those of us who do know have to make the effort to inform them.

Only the centre-right and right get to play politics on "easy" mode, the rest of us don't have that luxury.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:People don't know, though
So those of us who do know have to make the effort to inform them.

Only the centre-right and right get to play politics on "easy" mode, the rest of us don't have that luxury.
Without evidence it feels more like gossip, though.

I'm just not sure if that's especially helpful.
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Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:People don't know, though
So those of us who do know have to make the effort to inform them.

Only the centre-right and right get to play politics on "easy" mode, the rest of us don't have that luxury.
Without evidence it feels more like gossip, though.

I'm just not sure if that's especially helpful.
People wouldn't listen, and the press wouldn't help. As one of many many many examples, the fact that there has been confirmation that the channel tunnel will remain open for at least three months, but not necessarily any longer, in the event of us leaving without a withdrawal agreement hasn't even registered as news.
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I'm not surprised Timothy Garton Ash's latest opinion piece in the guardian hasn't been opened for comments.

The EU must resist impatience with Britain – for its own sake

What should they have more patience with? The UK government agreeing whatever they have to agree to get out of the door and then denying they said any such thing, as in December 2017? And again when confirming and then arguing about it all over again the following April? The PM agreeing a settlement and then telling parliament to vote against it? A belief, still, even now, that we can have the benefits of membership without the responsibilities? At least this time he's not telling the EU that they are being outrageous for insisting on things we had agreed to or insisted on ourselves.
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adam wrote:I'm not surprised Timothy Garton Ash's latest opinion piece in the guardian hasn't been opened for comments.

The EU must resist impatience with Britain – for its own sake

What should they have more patience with? The UK government agreeing whatever they have to agree to get out of the door and then denying they said any such thing, as in December 2017? And again when confirming and then arguing about it all over again the following April? The PM agreeing a settlement and then telling parliament to vote against it? A belief, still, even now, that we can have the benefits of membership without the responsibilities? At least this time he's not telling the EU that they are being outrageous for insisting on things we had agreed to or insisted on ourselves.
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adam wrote:
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Without evidence it feels more like gossip, though.

I'm just not sure if that's especially helpful.
People wouldn't listen, and the press wouldn't help. As one of many many many examples, the fact that there has been confirmation that the channel tunnel will remain open for at least three months, but not necessarily any longer, in the event of us leaving without a withdrawal agreement hasn't even registered as news.
This is exactly what I'm more concerned about right now.

From the start the right has been pushing the mantra of no deal being better than a bad deal. Against all expectations May actually manages to strike a deal and immediately up goes the refrain of "it's a bad deal" and Labour frigging echoed them. I can live with Labour being ignored if they try to push back against the right's narrative but what I can't forgive is their full-blooded endorsement. They have helped open the door to a no deal scenario. And they have boxed themselves into a corner from which it will be difficult to u-turn and vote for the WA if that's the only way to prevent no deal.

This is what's really making me cross. And Labour's naval-gazing at a time of crisis isn't helping. I don't want by-elections, I want to know what's going to happen on 30th March.

I know I'm being grumpy and I apologise. Tory government's tend to do that to me. :(
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If this is true, then this isn't "principled resignations" but stage-managed ones.
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Numerous sources are telling us that 3 more Labour MPs - Margaret Hodge, Peter Kyle and John Mann - may be planning to quit the party on the weekend.

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Wouldn't be at all surprised whether someone has a list with dates and MPs names on...let me guess, how about Saturday evening in time to make the Sunday front pages?
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RogerOThornhill wrote:If this is true, then this isn't "principled resignations" but stage-managed ones.
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Numerous sources are telling us that 3 more Labour MPs - Margaret Hodge, Peter Kyle and John Mann - may be planning to quit the party on the weekend.

Any comments on these rumours, @margarethodge, @peterkyle, @JohnMannMP?

8:06 AM - 22 Feb 2019
Wouldn't be at all surprised whether someone has a list with dates and MPs names on...let me guess, how about Saturday evening in time to make the Sunday front pages?
I wonder what reaction they were looking for before following suit. Something must have gone right if more follow, I would have thought.

Edited to add, right from their perspective. Though I don't know what that would be.
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The keep the Tories Inners have their own lists of course,far from sated.
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It's not the winning,although they think they did/are,it is taking apart.
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Willow904 wrote:
adam wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
Without evidence it feels more like gossip, though.

I'm just not sure if that's especially helpful.
People wouldn't listen, and the press wouldn't help. As one of many many many examples, the fact that there has been confirmation that the channel tunnel will remain open for at least three months, but not necessarily any longer, in the event of us leaving without a withdrawal agreement hasn't even registered as news.
This is exactly what I'm more concerned about right now.

From the start the right has been pushing the mantra of no deal being better than a bad deal. Against all expectations May actually manages to strike a deal and immediately up goes the refrain of "it's a bad deal" and Labour frigging echoed them. I can live with Labour being ignored if they try to push back against the right's narrative but what I can't forgive is their full-blooded endorsement. They have helped open the door to a no deal scenario. And they have boxed themselves into a corner from which it will be difficult to u-turn and vote for the WA if that's the only way to prevent no deal.

This is what's really making me cross. And Labour's naval-gazing at a time of crisis isn't helping. I don't want by-elections, I want to know what's going to happen on 30th March.

I know I'm being grumpy and I apologise. Tory government's tend to do that to me. :(
I completely get this Willow, but it is important to remember that most people aren't worrying about 30th March at all, or not more than they worry about every other day.

The Labour Party needs to speak to those folk too.
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2 of the 3 MPs cited above have apparently denied they plan to leave (Hodge being the exception thus far)

Mann said that if he ever did resign from the party, he would fight a byelection subsequently.

In some ways he is indeed an annoying arse but I have always thought he has a basic integrity that several of the splitters lack.
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You could say the same about Douglas Carswell, who certainly didn't lack bravery!
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For some reason I suddenly thought of David Willets and using the word want in a very strange way. Anyone remember?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:2 of the 3 MPs cited above have apparently denied they plan to leave (Hodge being the exception thus far)

Mann said that if he ever did resign from the party, he would fight a byelection subsequently.

In some ways he is indeed an annoying arse but I have always thought he has a basic integrity that several of the splitters lack.
I heard Peter Kyle being interviewed earlier today, and he didn't sound like someone who was planning to go anywhere soon.
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