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Wednesday 27th February 2019

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Morning all.
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Morning all. usual Wednesday so won't be around until late.

My heart sank when I heard that Nick Gibb was going to be commenting on Today about the decline in language uptake as I just knew that it would be Labour's fault. And he didn't disappoint.

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And just to say I do wish Chris Williamson would STFU! Not helping - let Falconer do his job.
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Good-morning, everyone
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Almost 2,000 locations across the UK have levels of air pollution that exceed safety limits, according to a pollution map released by campaigners.

In 2017, the worst location for nitrogen dioxide pollution was Kensington and Chelsea, followed by Leeds and Doncaster.

Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is one of the most harmful pollutant gases, irritating the lungs and potentially causing breathing difficulties. Road traffic is a leading source.

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citizenJA wrote:
Almost 2,000 locations across the UK have levels of air pollution that exceed safety limits, according to a pollution map released by campaigners.

In 2017, the worst location for nitrogen dioxide pollution was Kensington and Chelsea, followed by Leeds and Doncaster.

Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is one of the most harmful pollutant gases, irritating the lungs and potentially causing breathing difficulties. Road traffic is a leading source.

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Interesting to see Doncaster on that list. I don't go that way very often so was struck by the sheer amount of traffic on the M1 past Doncaster when I last passed that way. There seems to be a permanent bottleneck in the area. We're a very long way from tackling our traffic pollution issues, that much is clear.
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(Portugal introducing national network of independent living centres to support people with PA's;a new integrated disability benefit-""the social benefit for inclusion";amending law to prevent institutionalism,scrapping the term 'special educational needs"ramping up support for inclusion"
Here we portrayed benefits as a barrier to rather than a facillitator ie.lifestyle choice/buy off with a few quid extra to hide the figures both equally repulsive denigration.Of priority must be the abolition of the DWP,culturally and institutionally incapable of the necessary mindset)
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eg.only those really starving,sufficiently pathetic etc.
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A change of Government will do little it will as ever,undermine all good intentions.
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What shocked me yesterday is not that this is TM's plan; but the way in which it was received, both by Brexiters (in sombre, betrayal mood; but secretly scarcely able to contain their joy) and Remainers (seemingly genuinely pleased by TM's move) in the Tory Party. 1/

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It is still possible to turn things around, but if yesterday is an indication of where MPs are at, I do not hold out much hope. 2/2


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What shocked me yesterday is not that this is TM's plan; but the way in which it was received, both by Brexiters (in sombre, betrayal mood; but secretly scarcely able to contain their joy) and Remainers (seemingly genuinely pleased by TM's move) in the Tory Party. 1/

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It is still possible to turn things around, but if yesterday is an indication of where MPs are at, I do not hold out much hope. 2/2


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Yes, good thread. Sets out really well what was rattling around in the back of my head yesterday. The Cooper/Letwin amendment today is pretty much do or die for a further referendum in some ways. If May gets her way we'll be back in her deal or no deal territory just with a slightly delayed implementation. The point about revocation getting legally icky once we pass the point of May's elections without returning any MEPs is very true and the first time I've seen that point made. I hadn't considered that before.
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Willow904 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Almost 2,000 locations across the UK have levels of air pollution that exceed safety limits, according to a pollution map released by campaigners.
In 2017, the worst location for nitrogen dioxide pollution was Kensington and Chelsea, followed by Leeds and Doncaster.
Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is one of the most harmful pollutant gases, irritating the lungs and potentially causing breathing difficulties. Road traffic is a leading source.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... 0-uk-sites" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Interesting to see Doncaster on that list. I don't go that way very often so was struck by the sheer amount of traffic on the M1 past Doncaster when I last passed that way. There seems to be a permanent bottleneck in the area. We're a very long way from tackling our traffic pollution issues, that much is clear.
Our area hasn't had any bus subsidies since 2010. I think that's still correct; I've not looked recently. Two people can get a cab door to door for less money than a bus for the same journey.
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RogerOThornhill wrote: And just to say I do wish Chris Williamson would STFU! Not helping - let Falconer do his job.
Falconer has actually been given a job? Serious question, I thought it was just a proposal at this stage.
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HindleA wrote:eg.only those really starving,sufficiently pathetic etc.
I think this government doesn't care about demonstrably starving people
There's no one they won't ignore
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Point was the DWP mindset regardless."To those who need it" is multi faceted and consequential pernicious concept.
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Eg.we would have survived at the expense of diminished lives,participation,increased future debt risk ie."rescuing" as trapping.Intervening at crisis point is fuckwittery,falsely economic before you get to neglect of fundamental State reciprocity.
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The Cooper/Letwin amendment provides a real opportunity to shift the dynamic, and to enable Parliament to wrest a measure of control from TM. It allows for an extension which would eg allow a GE or a PV to happen. 9/11

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If Parliament allows TM to have her way tomorrow, they will have allowed her (not that anyone seems to be noticing) effectively to take the PV and remain off the table. 10/11
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Yep, that's my understanding too; I like this thread
I'm puzzled by government's discussing extensions
The UK getting extensions are up to 27 other EU nations
Getting extensions so government can mess around some more isn't going to happen
Why all this languishing about?
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At an individual level the contribution was barely registerable which facillitated cost savings,this is portrayed as burdensome,unfair and unsustainsble.
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HindleA wrote:Eg.we would have survived at the expense of diminished lives,participation,increased future debt risk ie."rescuing" as trapping.Intervening at crisis point is fuckwittery,falsely economic before you get to neglect of fundamental State reciprocity.
We're not getting leadership from a reasonable government. These people aren't intelligent, they're shrewd. I think they genuinely like others' pain.
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HindleA wrote:Point was the DWP mindset regardless."To those who need it" is multi faceted and consequential pernicious concept.
Indeed, who actually defines "need" for one thing.
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1.If you don't claim you don't need it
2.If you do,you may do subject to a set of hurdles purposefully constructed,if successfully reach the finish line,you go back to the start again.
3.If you give up you don't need it.
4.If you die on the process it's a complex situation
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Good morfternoon.

Alberto Costa has been fired. That's what support from Sajid Javid gets you.

Oh - and please make Gavin Williamson keep his trap shut over the Kashmir\India\Pakistan situation.
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PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Alberto Costa has been fired. That's what support from Sajid Javid gets you.

Oh - and please make Gavin Williamson keep his trap shut over the Kashmir\India\Pakistan situation.
A phrase transferable across the two main parties, strangely enough :fire:
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Oh - here you go. A bit better than my vague effort.
Tory MP Alberto Costa sacked as PPS over citizens' rights amendment
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The Tory MP Alberto Costa has been sacked from his post as a parliamentary private secretary in the Scotland Office over his bid to get EU citizens’ rights ringfenced in the event of no deal. (See 11.19am and 11.53am.)

He was asked to resign after tabling an amendment calling on Theresa May to seek an urgent meeting with the EU to do a side deal securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK and British nationals settled in the EU.

“It seems ridiculous for the government to be sacking a parliamentary private secretary over an amendment that has cross party support and the support of upwards of 60 Tory backbenchers and Sajid Javid,” said a source. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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PorFavor wrote:Oh - here you go. A bit better than my vague effort.
Tory MP Alberto Costa sacked as PPS over citizens' rights amendment
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The Tory MP Alberto Costa has been sacked from his post as a parliamentary private secretary in the Scotland Office over his bid to get EU citizens’ rights ringfenced in the event of no deal. (See 11.19am and 11.53am.)

He was asked to resign after tabling an amendment calling on Theresa May to seek an urgent meeting with the EU to do a side deal securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK and British nationals settled in the EU.

“It seems ridiculous for the government to be sacking a parliamentary private secretary over an amendment that has cross party support and the support of upwards of 60 Tory backbenchers and Sajid Javid,” said a source. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I can't understand this sacking in any sense. Getting rid of a minister over that is mad.
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Although all of this was already known or suspected, it really is quite remarkable to see it all laid out like this in a public statement.
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Let's see if anything actually comes of it, shall we (he said cynically)
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citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Oh - here you go. A bit better than my vague effort.
Tory MP Alberto Costa sacked as PPS over citizens' rights amendment
Lisa O'Carroll

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The Tory MP Alberto Costa has been sacked from his post as a parliamentary private secretary in the Scotland Office over his bid to get EU citizens’ rights ringfenced in the event of no deal. (See 11.19am and 11.53am.)

He was asked to resign after tabling an amendment calling on Theresa May to seek an urgent meeting with the EU to do a side deal securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK and British nationals settled in the EU.

“It seems ridiculous for the government to be sacking a parliamentary private secretary over an amendment that has cross party support and the support of upwards of 60 Tory backbenchers and Sajid Javid,” said a source. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I can't understand this sacking in any sense. Getting rid of a minister over that is mad.
Not as mad as getting rid of a minister over it and then accepting the former minster's amendment.
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Asked about Cooper’s amendment, the spokesman said:

We would consider that amendment not to be necessary because it simply confirms the words the PM delivered from the dispatch box yesterday. On that basis it’s unlikely we’d oppose something which simply confirmed the prime minister’s own words. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
I don't like that "unlikely".
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adam wrote:
citizenJA wrote:I can't understand this sacking in any sense. Getting rid of a minister over that is mad.
Not as mad as getting rid of a minister over it and then accepting the former minster's amendment.
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" ...an amendment calling on Theresa May to seek an urgent meeting with the EU to do a side deal securing the rights of EU citizens in the UK and British nationals settled in the EU."
This amendment was accepted?

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The government has caved in to pressure over the fate of EU citizens in the event of a no-deal Brexit and agreed to go back to Brussels to seek a deal to ringfence their rights.

Its decision follows a morning of chaos during which the Conservative MP who tabled the amendment proposing the move was forced to quit his government post, and the home secretary said he saw “nothing wrong” with the plan even though Theresa May had dismissed it a day earlier.

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PorFavor wrote:
Asked about Cooper’s amendment, the spokesman said:

We would consider that amendment not to be necessary because it simply confirms the words the PM delivered from the dispatch box yesterday. On that basis it’s unlikely we’d oppose something which simply confirmed the prime minister’s own words. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
I don't like that "unlikely".
I consider that amendment necessary because the PM's words from the dispatch box aren't worth much
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Confused bootlace Tsar is sacked from the Government (7,5).
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Hint - already discussed upthread.
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Has anyone else seen official government signage indicating the UK is leaving the EU next month?
Nothing too fancy - bus stop advertising?
I saw some today
It'd been vigorously defaced
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I got a "Leave Means Leave" leaflet today.

What with "Brexit Means Brexit" "Delay Means Delay" and now this, my vocabulary is coming on in leaps and bounds. "It Pays to Increase Your Wordpower" as the Readers' Digest used to say.




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Labour's Brexit plan comprehensively thrown out by MPs. Which means @jeremycorbyn is now formally committed to start campaigning with gusto for a referendum. That'll be interesting
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I'm always interested in your interesting use of the word interesting . . .
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PorFavor wrote:I'm always interested in your interesting use of the word interesting . . .
TBF it was Peston wot said that!

Also TBF while I can find him irritating, Peston is putting the hours in, on Twitter at leat.
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citizenJA wrote:Has anyone else seen official government signage indicating the UK is leaving the EU next month?
Nothing too fancy - bus stop advertising?
I saw some today
It'd been vigorously defaced
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