Friday 1st March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 7:04 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 8:35 am

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/b ... rts-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour must challenge the myth that the working class supports Brexit

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 8:38 am

Morning all.

Probation: 'Rushed' reforms cost MoJ extra £500m, report says

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47409350

Problems with the partial privatisation of the probation system in England and Wales have cost taxpayers almost £500m, the government spending watchdog says.

Under the changes, introduced when Chris Grayling was justice secretary, firms were given contracts to supervise low and medium-risk offenders.

The National Audit Office says reforms were "rushed" and warns more people are being returned to jail for reoffending.

The government said it took the findings "very seriously".

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 8:54 am

"Guardians of the public purse"
Piss away your money on fuckwittery
Vote Tory.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:03 am

https://www.policyforum.labour.org.uk/consultation2019" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:10 am

To say there is panic Brexit stockpiling at work is an unferstatement.Tensions are high.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:12 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... hi-factory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:15 am

Couple penalty ?

Vote Tory.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/ ... nt-reveals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:19 am

To save time,in what would be an extremely long and continuing list.

If you want to cause damage in the most expensive way possible .
Vote Tory

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:39 am

Rabid Monica strangely says that the EU is being dishonourable (7,4).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:42 am

The really petty stuff-as above,single sick/disabled with no carer,not expected to work homeowners in receipt of SMI etc a reminder they are also thick/malicious bastards -"unintentially"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:45 am

Site playing up,I believe AK had problems recently.Of course ,I can't prove it was caused by the Tories,but the timing suspicious.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 9:58 am

HindleA wrote:Couple penalty ?

Vote Tory.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/ ... nt-reveals" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We're treated as individuals when it comes to paying into the system in the form of taxes but treated as households when it comes to drawing out of the system in the form of benefits. Always to the Treasury's advantage, of course.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:00 am

Scrap laws driving privatisation of health service, say NHS bosses

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... nhs-bosses

At its monthly board meeting on Thursday, NHS England published plans that, if adopted by ministers, would dismantle large parts of the shake-up instigated by Andrew Lansley, who was health secretary in the coalition government from 2010 to 2012.

Theresa May has acknowledged that the 2012 act, which is widely considered to be the most damaging ever to afflict the NHS, is hindering a drive by the health service in England to provide better care by integrating key services.

When the usual suspects want to "shake up the NHS" this is what happens...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:02 am

HindleA wrote:Site playing up,I believe AK had problems recently.Of course ,I can't prove it was caused by the Tories,but the timing suspicious.

I get squirrels quite often. (The message which accompanies them puts the blame squarely upon refitman. I always suspected him of being a bit dodgy.) The site's also very slow at times.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:02 am

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:05 am

@Willow IDS made a great deal on the marriage allowance thing,hypocrisy in this targeted penalisation was my point.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:10 am

"Refitman",doesn't look right not in red.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:10 am

Albeit emboldened.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:11 am

HindleA wrote:"Refitman",doesn't look right not in red.

Red?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:13 am

Constance responding to the NPF consultation re.feline rights.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:14 am

It's a colour.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:15 am

refitman

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:16 am

(Bit early,even for PF,for gin induced confusion)

Said with love.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:22 am

Willow904 wrote:https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/b ... rts-brexit
Labour must challenge the myth that the working class supports Brexit

I linked to this on twitter yesterday, from Danny Dorling.

https://flickread.com/edition/html/inde ... 1d23a89#16" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's comprehensively proved that southern areas outvoted the north, for leave. Not quite the same thing as working class, but part of the same myth. The last part of the article covers it.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:24 am

I think Rabid Monica might stick.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:26 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Scrap laws driving privatisation of health service, say NHS bosses

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... nhs-bosses

At its monthly board meeting on Thursday, NHS England published plans that, if adopted by ministers, would dismantle large parts of the shake-up instigated by Andrew Lansley, who was health secretary in the coalition government from 2010 to 2012.

Theresa May has acknowledged that the 2012 act, which is widely considered to be the most damaging ever to afflict the NHS, is hindering a drive by the health service in England to provide better care by integrating key services.

When the usual suspects want to "shake up the NHS" this is what happens...

I read a fairly convincing article the other day saying that in practice large parts of the Act have been completely ignored.

Tories love wasting our money.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:27 am

If Carlsberg made anagram makers it would probably be PforY.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:38 am

High Court rules 'right to rent' must be scrapped.
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Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case

Great job, tories.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:42 am

I could do with another/spare set of feet.

This has been a public information announcement.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:48 am

I am hoping,and it's looking good,I won't have to indulge in the PTO thing later,but I'll be back

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:51 am

"Unferstatement?" and that is without the aid of gin.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 10:56 am

Washington says any UK-US trade deal should remove barriers to US farm goods being sold in UK (Politics Live, Guardian)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:04 am

PorFavor wrote:
Washington says any UK-US trade deal should remove barriers to US farm goods being sold in UK (Politics Live, Guardian)

Yes, that too. Good day at the office, Theresa?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:05 am

I'd like, now, to hear Labour setting out their case for a "reformed from within" EU.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:07 am

HindleA wrote:I am hoping,and it's looking good,I won't have to indulge in the PTO thing later,but I'll be back

Going somewhere interesting?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:09 am

How on earth is Grayling in any kind of government position?

Government pays Eurotunnel £33m over Brexit ferry case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47414699

The government will pay £33m to Eurotunnel in an agreement to settle a lawsuit over extra ferry services in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

In December, the Department for Transport (DfT) contracted three suppliers to provide additional freight capacity for lorries.

Eurotunnel said the contracts were handed out in a "secretive" way.

As part of the agreement, Eurotunnel has agreed to make some improvements to its terminal.

One of the firms awarded a contract, Seaborne Freight, has already had its deal cancelled after the Irish company backing it pulled out.

Shortly after it was awarded the contract, the BBC found out that Seaborne had no ships and had never run a ferry service.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:10 am

gilsey wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/b ... rts-brexit
Labour must challenge the myth that the working class supports Brexit
I linked to this on twitter yesterday, from Danny Dorling.

https://flickread.com/edition/html/inde ... 1d23a89#16" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's comprehensively proved that southern areas outvoted the north, for leave. Not quite the same thing as working class, but part of the same myth. The last part of the article covers it.

Very interesting stuff and very much along the lines of what I've been thinking all along. How can leave be the vote of the "left behind" when leave voters were more likely to own their own home. Some "left behinds" may have helped get leave over the line but they are not the driving force behind this project. When you lose sight of that you lose sight of the importance of resisting that driving force. Dorling's stats on how the UK contributes to the far right within the EU parliament is actually quite chilling. I only hope it's not too late for Labour to wake up to the danger of framing leave as a working class project and all the people at college and on low incomes who voted remain and are campaigning for a soft Brexit or no Brexit as part of some sort of metropolitan neoliberal elite. Many of us are very much part of the "left behind", struggling on stagnating wages and shrinking benefits. Working people who will have to work even harder to combat the costs of leaving the EU.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:13 am

Not going anywhere this weekend,staggerthons start next week-Liverpool; catching up with household stuff sporadically interspersed with crosswords.

@PF

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:13 am

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It's alright, he'll award the tunnel contract to someone who can't dig tunnels.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:32 am

Labour says Grayling should be sacked for 'serial failure and routine incompetence'

Labour is calling for Chris Grayling’s resignation in the light of the government’s £33m settlement in the Eurotunnel case. Andy McDonald, the shadow transport secretary, said:

On the same day a National Audit Office report highlights that disastrous decisions by Chris Grayling at the Ministry of Justice have wasted nearly half a billion pounds of public money we also learn that the transport secretary’s misjudgement over the award of a ferry contract has left taxpayer’s liable for £33m in compensation to Eurotunnel.

This follows a damning public accounts committee report on Wednesday on his mismanagement of the railways.

His conduct as a minister is one of serial failure and routine incompetence. In any other sphere of life he would have been sacked long ago. I say yet again: this trail of destruction has gone on long enough. It’s time for Chris Grayling to go. (Politics Live, Guardian)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:52 am

gilsey wrote:
Willow904 wrote:https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/b ... rts-brexit
Labour must challenge the myth that the working class supports Brexit
I linked to this on twitter yesterday, from Danny Dorling.

https://flickread.com/edition/html/inde ... 1d23a89#16" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's comprehensively proved that southern areas outvoted the north, for leave. Not quite the same thing as working class, but part of the same myth. The last part of the article covers it.

Yes, it was just as arguably much of the prosperous Tory south that swung it for Brexit - but safaris to the likes of Ruislip by John Harris are conspicuous by their absence.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:54 am

I thought, initially, that this was more on Chris Grayling, but it's actually the lead-in to a piece about the Right to Rent Scheme.

A key plank of Theresa May’s . . . (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 11:58 am

PM still has confidence in Chris Grayling, says No 10 (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 12:05 pm

Full confidence, according to the BBC.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 12:33 pm

And we all know what that means......

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 1:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And we all know what that means......

"Sacked in the morning, you're getting sacked in the morning!"

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 1:28 pm

For those who have dismissed Graham Linehan's concerns about some aspects of transactivism as an anti-trans meltdown, there's a case going on in court today which reflects some of the arguments that have been playing out in social media and puts to bed the notion that it's a black and white subject with obvious goodies and baddies:

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Alison Griffiths
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Marketing officer non trans woman Helen Islan for Mermaids takes transsexual to court for alleged transphobic abuse. Tries to remain anonymoys but judge says no.

The transsexual in question is Miranda Yardley, a Labour Party official who was facing suspension last year for some surprisingly robust and rather rude objections to a transgender woman, Lily Madigan, who had not yet gone through gender reassignment surgery, being shortlisted for Labour Party women's officer. Yardley's main objection seems to be she thought Madigan was a woman hater. I don't know what today's case is about, but it is strange, to say the least.

Edited to add, I think the 'woman hater' bit is derived from a row where some felt Madigan helped hound a woman called Anne Ruzylo out of her role in a Labour Party constituency.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 1:48 pm

Time's up. Get back on duty. 48 posts and counting . . .

Edited to add - that was for HindleA

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 01 Mar, 2019 1:50 pm

I did wonder what the Sunderland to London Twitter thing was all about yesterday...

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I've a feeling Nigel Farage's march from Sunderland to London is presumably meant to evoke something of the spirit of the Jarrow march. That was however about a fair deal for workers and was not led by a jet-setting former commodities trader.

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