Tuesday 5th March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:03 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:06 am

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... s-14086033" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have been upset to the point of repeated vomitting when I heard this Rudd kicks IDS,McVey into touch with that one.Absolutely vile exponentially amplified by pretending to be other.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:12 am

On so many levels

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:23 am

Hard to imagine the level of ignorance,cynicism and just utter nastiness behind it ,so I won't bother.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:29 am

I can't wait.until (on assumption-scrap that if I snuff it I will haunt the bastards)I reach,by great skill contribution and endeavour or not dying some would say and enjoy such fruitless efforts to persuade me even to consider not despising the Tories,any less,it will be more.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:39 am

I don't see the distinction between pensioners and working age people. If certain conditions don't need as frequent retesting, that would apply to all ages.

This seems to be more about votes, not sensible policy, sucking up to pensioners and dumping on the working age poor yet again.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:45 am

I made a promise to myself,given.it seriously makes me ill but for one thing it is an extra cost allowance,this goes counter to the whole underpinning philosophy before you get to blatant discrimination which itself is based on nonsense.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:54 am

It is the devaluing of life according to your age,clear concise no matter that.contribition has absolutely nothing to do with it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 7:57 am

Looking at combining assessments,apparently ,here we go appropriation ahead folks,careful what you wish for.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:00 am

Hence irrelevant contribution mention?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:01 am

Does she know,or think people don't?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:04 am

Ms Rudd will say in a speech to disability charity Scope: “Disabled pensioners have paid into our system for their whole lives and deserve the full support of the State when they need it most.

And what about the people who are trying to pay into the system but face higher costs to get into work than non-disabled people? If PIP is supposed to reflect the higher cost of living with a disability, that cost doesn't suddenly appear when you retire. It's a conflation of ideas and benefits. And a stark contrast with those who saw their ESA reduced by £30 a week, despite paying NI over many years in a lot of cases and despite the idea that NI is supposed to be insurance against becoming too ill to work, as well as building entitlement to a pension. Which, of course, young people don't expect to see themselves, despite paying for the current generation, because that's the way it seems to be going.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:05 am

I respectfully urge caution on falling for the divisive trap,the cynically played are not to blame.A day would turn one into the other.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:07 am

As I said totally against the whole basis of an extra cost allowance,you could have course contributed zilch,it's cynical vile piffle.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:10 am

Most likely you have contributed for decades and will not reach pensionable age,hence(but one part) of my reaction

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:16 am

I like the new look Tuesday,I think it should stay.

Post by **adam** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:22 am

HindleA wrote:I like the new look Tuesday,I think it should stay.

An ex catherda statement?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:25 am

I like the contributory principle, but only in terms of entitlement to more than you need. There should be a baseline of a basic standard of living that everyone is entitled to on the basis of being a human being. I worry about the abolition of the pension credit, for instance. What does this mean for anyone who doesn't build up enough contributions to qualify for a full pension?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:38 am

I am totally in agreement with the contribution principle they have reduced it systematically,conveniently and totally irrelevantly they are using it no matter that just because you reach a certain age means absolutely nothing as far at that goes.It is actually fascistic in this context to cite it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:56 am

Morning all.

Useful intervention from Margaret "Hey, I'm still here and want to feel important" Hodge...

Of course she could have told this to Falconer when he gets going but no...

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 8:59 am

If I were to choose a day...

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 10:28 am

Must watch.
Akala on gang violence.

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Post by **adam** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 10:28 am

gilsey wrote:Must watch.
Akala on gang violence.

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Seconded and thirded - this is excellent.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 10:53 am

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:05 am

https://righttoparticipate.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:35 am

Its all gone a bit quiet on the TIG front, hasn't it? Not sure what to make of that yet.......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:36 am

@Willow,to be clear,my disdain is towards Rudd and irrelevant (but revealing)contribution mention.The same pissing away money needless harmful repeats should be removed from all,regardless.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:38 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its all gone a bit quiet on the TIG front, hasn't it? Not sure what to make of that yet.......

Haven't they got a meeting today (with the Electoral Commission, from memory)?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:40 am

I suppose you could gnaw away at the gap opened in actual logic dictates/discriminatory fake basis.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:46 am

Some comments from long term Clintonista over the pond, Brad de Long:

"the world appears to be more like what lefties thought it was than what I did for the past 10-15 years"

"the baton rightly passes to them - we are still here, but it is not our time to lead"

Of course there are plenty of US centrists still in denial too - but when did you last hear anything so refreshingly honest from a UK based "establishment" commentator? Many are still in the mindset that they would rather burn everything to the ground than admit they were wrong about anything in any significant way

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 11:50 am

The fact that it is returning to DLA,built up by twenty years experience is purely coincidental.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:01 pm

If you want to waste money,cause harm and be sickened by aren't we good for removing what we placed duplicity.

Vote Tory.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:09 pm

I urge everybody to resist the integration in assessment process of two fundamentally benefits/allowances with every sinew,clear from Rudd the basis of underpinning.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:21 pm

I would say the same regardless of stripe.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:41 pm

HindleA wrote:@Willow,to be clear,my disdain is towards Rudd and irrelevant (but revealing)contribution mention.The same pissing away money needless harmful repeats should be removed from all,regardless.

PIP has never been contribution based, has it? Or means tested or an out of work benefit. It's strictly for disabled people to reduce the inequality they face in everyday life, right? I think if Rudd tries to apply different rules to different people purely based on age, she'll likely end up back in court as we have seen over and over again.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:50 pm

It is a proxy for necessary extra costs,a sort of mini personal budget and vast cost saving.Non means tested,I have equally disdain for those who want to.The costs exist regardless of situation.It's fundamental basis and philosophy has been transgressed by Rudd and her ignorance,or her assumed ignorance of others.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 12:54 pm

Indeed it should be increased,if the extra costs we had had been covered we would have avoided means tested,and all the shittery that involved completely.For saving the State countless,I think that would have been reasonable.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 1:00 pm

So we were ensnared in direct contradiction to the propaganda and would have been exponentially so since other "reforms" not least by removing the ability to earn.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 1:03 pm

Bercow allows emergency debate today on Grayling's Seaborne Freight contrac[sic]

John Bercow, the speaker, has just agree to a request from the SNP MP Alan Brown to allow an emergency debate on the Department of Transport’s Seaborne Freight contract (the no-deal contract for a ferry service with the firm that did not own any ferries). The debate will start shortly.

Bercow says he understands that Chris Grayling, the transport secretary, will speak in it.
(Politics Live, Guardian)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 1:07 pm

Sorry naff all.to do with contributions,which is the source of my response ,this is worse than Osborne's unpleasant intimation that DLA was an out of work benefit and curtain closed thing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 1:48 pm

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:04 pm

If you are going to do grammar pedantry, make sure you are on solid ground yourselves first - otherwise you look not just smug but a smug prat.

(thinking of nobody in particular from this morning, no sirree)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:20 pm

Sayeeda Warsi attacking the Conservative Party for its Islamaphobia and its failure to deal with same.

Good.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:40 pm

One bloody day off posting my bollox and PF's on my case.We don't all get payment in copious amounts of gin,as she does.Pfft.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:41 pm

"open for offers"

Don't booze,fags,cakes,chocolate ...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:44 pm

Crisps,cheese ...(contd on page 92)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:46 pm

Beyond Wednesaday,anyway

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:48 pm

Come the revolution each day will be named after a Leeds United Player of the 1968-9 Division I League Champion season.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:50 pm

50 years ago good grief it only seems 49

(PTO after next one)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 05 Mar, 2019 2:54 pm

HindleA wrote:Come the revolution each day will be named after a Leeds United Player of the 1968-9 Division I League Champion season.

Not Sheffield Wednesaday, then?

Edited to add -

PTO