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Saturday 9th & Sunday 10th March 2019
Morning all.
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Alistair Campbell has discovered Labour's Brexit strategy and claimed it for himself.
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"Disabled people welcomed the way the government had formally adopted the social model of disability in Life Chances. But what we hadn’t realised was how the model would be misused"
If any doubt whatsoever that the DWP shouldn't be abolished please read.All good intentions,and despite the bah New Labour no difference bullshit there was,will inevitably be stymied.
If any doubt whatsoever that the DWP shouldn't be abolished please read.All good intentions,and despite the bah New Labour no difference bullshit there was,will inevitably be stymied.
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Good morfternoon.
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Sorry - had to do that to exorcise a horrible image I've had in my mind since yesterday.
Or, as Marvin Gaye might have put it -'Let's get it done': May urges MPs to back her Brexit deal (Guardian)
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Sorry - had to do that to exorcise a horrible image I've had in my mind since yesterday.
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How many times has she "urged" this now, to little discernible effect?
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Death certificate( plus birth/marriage) cost nearly trebling something I missed from £4 to £ 11
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As C4 plays catch up on the dubious activities of Arron Banks, yet more dark money quietly floods social media pushing for a damaging "no deal" Brexit:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/mys ... tim-dawson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/mys ... tim-dawson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A Mysterious Hard Brexit Group Run By A Young Tory Writer Is Now Britain’s Biggest Spending Political Campaign On Facebook
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C4 not the only ones playing catch up.Willow904 wrote:As C4 plays catch up on the dubious activities of Arron Banks,
Alison McGovern and Jess Phillips didn't know Leave.EU had carried on campaigning on FB after Jo Cox was killed and the official campaigns were suspended?
Either they're playing up for the cameras or they're totally lost in the Westminster bubble.
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Talking of Phillips (who got mentioned here yesterday too) her latest piece for the Times is..........just plain weird.
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Pretty good, I thought. It had me laughing, at any rate. I was thinking along the same lines when it comes to Geoffrey Cox's contribution to solving "Brexit".
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ves-brexitWorried about Brexit? What, with these geniuses in charge?
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Yeah its one of her better ones.
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Compare with Chris Leslie's infamous "Labour must be the party of the landlord" post-2015 GE effort.
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one of 303,000 people wrongly handed a fine by the NHS Business Authority in 2018
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/ne ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Man in DWP benefits row after he was wrongly fined by blundering officials
Solved by a rather easy solution(well,two the other I keep repeating)
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/ne ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Man in DWP benefits row after he was wrongly fined by blundering officials
Solved by a rather easy solution(well,two the other I keep repeating)
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Evening all.
Back from an overnight trip to Derby - gig last night and lunch with an old work colleague today. And a long walk round taking photos of houses which I doubt anyone apart from me would be the slightest bit interested in...
And Orient won and are back at the top of the table no less.
Back from an overnight trip to Derby - gig last night and lunch with an old work colleague today. And a long walk round taking photos of houses which I doubt anyone apart from me would be the slightest bit interested in...
And Orient won and are back at the top of the table no less.
If I'm not here, then I'll be in the library. Or the other library.
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The next time a Tory minister jeers at "council-run schools", better show them this...from a letter by Jon Coles, CEO of United Learning.
It's always been richly ironic that they were arguing for schools to become academies to get them away from the "shackles of the local council" when in fact by doing so, those schools have even less autonomy than they've had for decades.
Getting people like Nick Gibb to admit that though is another matter...
It's always been richly ironic that they were arguing for schools to become academies to get them away from the "shackles of the local council" when in fact by doing so, those schools have even less autonomy than they've had for decades.
Getting people like Nick Gibb to admit that though is another matter...
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Peter Oborne, pretty thoroughly debunking that trashy book by Tom Bower.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/t ... ader-truth
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/t ... ader-truth
There is a problem here which goes much deeper than Tom Bower himself and raises questions about the British media and political culture. Bear in mind that Bower’s book is not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation.
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That is a genuinely impressive bit of writing.
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Another unlikely supporter of Labour's brexit policy.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ies-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ies-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Labour leader, of course, has to handle his own MPs, many of whom are lobbying for another referendum. Corbyn’s answer should be: first things first. Once Brussels has agreed a delay, a transitional deal and a political statement on future relations, the case for a confirming plebiscite, as in 1975, would be strong. At the very least it might calm jangled nerves. Evidence suggests an emphatic acceptance of a Britain outside the EU but within some form of shared economic space.
Nothing about Brexit was going to be easy or ideal. Staying in a customs union does not negate Brexit. But it does honour the double commitment that May and her government made to voters: to leave the EU but retain open trade with the continent. Throughout history Britain has wavered “in and out” of Europe. It is now embarked on an out phase. But at least it has an opportunity to forge a compromise. Jeremy Corbyn’s improbable destiny is to deliver it.
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.
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refitman wrote:Alistair Campbell has discovered Labour's Brexit strategy and claimed it for himself.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... son-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK borderAnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.
Am I wrong?
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citizenJA wrote:I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK borderAnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.
Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong. The only way to respect the GFA and not have any kind of border in the Irish Sea at all is for the whole of the UK to remain in the single market as well as the customs union.
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It's snowing
West Midlands
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It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining
West Midlands
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It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining
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Hailing here, in God's own county.citizenJA wrote:It's snowing
West Midlands
edited to add
It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining
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I can just about understand why elected representatives and public servants pussyfoot around; it's a tragic state of affairs if they feel they must.
Why the prevarication from media and others not under the same pressures and scrutiny? I'm not particularly sharp. If I can figure some EU rules, anyone can.
Why the prevarication from media and others not under the same pressures and scrutiny? I'm not particularly sharp. If I can figure some EU rules, anyone can.
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I think my understanding of the EU and the UK's relationship within it or out of it isn't as simple as I've written
What I don't know is a lot
What I don't know is a lot
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Hail here too, and biting cold. Barely a week on from actually warm weather.refitman wrote:Hailing here, in God's own county.citizenJA wrote:It's snowing
West Midlands
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It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining
Do we have actual seasons any more?
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For reasons I don't pretend to understand, it suits Labour to skate over the fact that a Customs Union is necessary but not sufficient. Maybe trying not to frighten the horses/Caroline Flint.Willow904 wrote:citizenJA wrote:I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK borderAnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.
Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong. The only way to respect the GFA and not have any kind of border in the Irish Sea at all is for the whole of the UK to remain in the single market as well as the customs union.
To keep the Irish border open, which as I understand it is a 'red line', Labour would have to arrive at the right place wrt the single market, in the unlikely event of it ever being up to them.
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Or accept a border in the Irish Sea.gilsey wrote:For reasons I don't pretend to understand, it suits Labour to skate over the fact that a Customs Union is necessary but not sufficient. Maybe trying not to frighten the horses/Caroline Flint.Willow904 wrote:citizenJA wrote: I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK border
Am I wrong?
No, you're not wrong. The only way to respect the GFA and not have any kind of border in the Irish Sea at all is for the whole of the UK to remain in the single market as well as the customs union.
To keep the Irish border open, which as I understand it is a 'red line', Labour would have to arrive at the right place wrt the single market, in the unlikely event of it ever being up to them.
By not pointing out the necessary compromises, they allow May's government and the hard Brexiters to skate over the facts, as well, that's the problem.
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It must have been cold on the basis of the first time ever wearing a long sleeved garment on a (half)staggerthon(or else I'm getting old)No gloves that would going far too far.Point is to feel whatever the weather and conditions hold.It helps to be a bit of a masochist.
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I think it is important to note that GFA really needs free movement on an hourly or daily basis, rather than the right to move residence over the border. Unless I misunderstand.
Some limited controls on people actually moving into the UK may not be incompatible with the GFA and as has been said here before may in fact be possible under existing rules!
Some limited controls on people actually moving into the UK may not be incompatible with the GFA and as has been said here before may in fact be possible under existing rules!
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You live well, close to the environment, the outdoors. Mr citizen does the same. I admire you both and do my best to follow where you lead.HindleA wrote:It must have been cold on the basis of the first time ever wearing a long sleeved garment on a (half)staggerthon(or else I'm getting old)No gloves that would going far too far.Point is to feel whatever the weather and conditions hold.It helps to be a bit of a masochist.
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This is my understanding as well.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think it is important to note that GFA really needs free movement on an hourly or daily basis, rather than the right to move residence over the border. Unless I misunderstand.
Some limited controls on people actually moving into the UK may not be incompatible with the GFA and as has been said here before may in fact be possible under existing rules!
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(cJA emphasis)The Belfast Agreement, also known as the Good Friday Agreement (GFA), was reached in multi-party negotiations and signed on 10 April 1998
Published 10 April 1998
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"The British and Irish Governments declare that it is their joint understanding that the term "the people of Northern Ireland" in paragraph (vi) of Article 1 of this Agreement means, for the purposes of giving effect to this provision, all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence."
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That's everyone with UK or Irish citizenship or other EU nationals entitled to reside in NI or anyone with indefinite leave to remain in the UK, isn't it? There's currently no restriction on any UK-EU citizen or any national with indefinite leave to remain in the UK moving to NI, is there?
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That's a good peace treaty, the Belfast Agreement. I like it.
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jeepers
did I just make the same mistake that Tory minister (I forget his name) made in regards to NI and citizenship?
did I just make the same mistake that Tory minister (I forget his name) made in regards to NI and citizenship?
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I don't mind being wrong and having correct information replacing where I've misunderstood
I'd expect greater accuracy coming from a member of government
I'd expect greater accuracy coming from a member of government
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I think the latter is more likelygilsey wrote:C4 not the only ones playing catch up.Willow904 wrote:As C4 plays catch up on the dubious activities of Arron Banks,
Alison McGovern and Jess Phillips didn't know Leave.EU had carried on campaigning on FB after Jo Cox was killed and the official campaigns were suspended?
Either they're playing up for the cameras or they're totally lost in the Westminster bubble.
Yeah, you'd hope the opposition party members would be less affected by the enormous effort going into keeping people ignorant of whatever most of UK media want kept secret
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This is good.HindleA wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true
A Labour government would oblige private landlords to offer tenancies of indefinite length, based on the German system, in an attempt to give renters more security.
The plan, announced by the shadow housing secretary, John Healey, would seek to protect tenants from arbitrary eviction without having to give a reason. In contrast in Germany, landlords are only allowed to evict tenants for reasons such as failure to pay rent or committing an offence in the property.
Labour says the indefinite system brings more security for renters, with private tenancies in Germany lasting an average of 11 years, compared with about four in England. This would, the party says, particularly help the 1.6m households with dependant children in private rented accommodation.
Currently, tenants can be evicted with notice without any reason being given.
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I think it was already referenced upthread. But well worth repeating
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Goodnight, everyone
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love,
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What's well worth repeating is Labour winning an election on a pro-EU platform.
Rather than shitting themselves about a few votes they'd never get anyway.
This whole idea of them losing the North is absolute bollocks. Even in Hartlepool most Labour voters voted to remain.
(so I've heard.)
Rather than shitting themselves about a few votes they'd never get anyway.
This whole idea of them losing the North is absolute bollocks. Even in Hartlepool most Labour voters voted to remain.
(so I've heard.)
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Hmmm......
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You can say that again........
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