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'Let's get it done': May urges MPs to back her Brexit deal (Guardian)

A Mysterious Hard Brexit Group Run By A Young Tory Writer Is Now Britain’s Biggest Spending Political Campaign On Facebook

Willow904 wrote:As C4 plays catch up on the dubious activities of Arron Banks,

Worried about Brexit? What, with these geniuses in charge?
Marina Hyde

There is a problem here which goes much deeper than Tom Bower himself and raises questions about the British media and political culture. Bear in mind that Bower’s book is not just intellectually dishonest, it is a farrago of falsehood and insinuation.

The Labour leader, of course, has to handle his own MPs, many of whom are lobbying for another referendum. Corbyn’s answer should be: first things first. Once Brussels has agreed a delay, a transitional deal and a political statement on future relations, the case for a confirming plebiscite, as in 1975, would be strong. At the very least it might calm jangled nerves. Evidence suggests an emphatic acceptance of a Britain outside the EU but within some form of shared economic space.

Nothing about Brexit was going to be easy or ideal. Staying in a customs union does not negate Brexit. But it does honour the double commitment that May and her government made to voters: to leave the EU but retain open trade with the continent. Throughout history Britain has wavered “in and out” of Europe. It is now embarked on an out phase. But at least it has an opportunity to forge a compromise. Jeremy Corbyn’s improbable destiny is to deliver it.

refitman wrote:Alistair Campbell has discovered Labour's Brexit strategy and claimed it for himself.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.

citizenJA wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.

I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK border
Am I wrong?

citizenJA wrote:It's snowing
West Midlands

edited to add
It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining

refitman wrote:

citizenJA wrote:It's snowing
West Midlands

edited to add
It's stopped snowing and the sun is shining

Hailing here, in God's own county.

Willow904 wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Oh god, Simon Jenkins talking sense. We are truly in the end times.

I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK border
Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. The only way to respect the GFA and not have any kind of border in the Irish Sea at all is for the whole of the UK to remain in the single market as well as the customs union.

gilsey wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

citizenJA wrote: I don't think a customs union not including free movement of people will solve the ROI-UK border
Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. The only way to respect the GFA and not have any kind of border in the Irish Sea at all is for the whole of the UK to remain in the single market as well as the customs union.

For reasons I don't pretend to understand, it suits Labour to skate over the fact that a Customs Union is necessary but not sufficient. Maybe trying not to frighten the horses/Caroline Flint.
To keep the Irish border open, which as I understand it is a 'red line', Labour would have to arrive at the right place wrt the single market, in the unlikely event of it ever being up to them.

HindleA wrote:It must have been cold on the basis of the first time ever wearing a long sleeved garment on a (half)staggerthon(or else I'm getting old)No gloves that would going far too far.Point is to feel whatever the weather and conditions hold.It helps to be a bit of a masochist.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think it is important to note that GFA really needs free movement on an hourly or daily basis, rather than the right to move residence over the border. Unless I misunderstand.

Some limited controls on people actually moving into the UK may not be incompatible with the GFA and as has been said here before may in fact be possible under existing rules!

The Belfast Agreement, also known as the Good Friday Agreement (GFA), was reached in multi-party negotiations and signed on 10 April 1998
Published 10 April 1998
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"The British and Irish Governments declare that it is their joint understanding that the term "the people of Northern Ireland" in paragraph (vi) of Article 1 of this Agreement means, for the purposes of giving effect to this provision, all persons born in Northern Ireland and having, at the time of their birth, at least one parent who is a British citizen, an Irish citizen or is otherwise entitled to reside in Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residence."

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gilsey wrote:

Willow904 wrote:As C4 plays catch up on the dubious activities of Arron Banks,

C4 not the only ones playing catch up.
Alison McGovern and Jess Phillips didn't know Leave.EU had carried on campaigning on FB after Jo Cox was killed and the official campaigns were suspended?
Either they're playing up for the cameras or they're totally lost in the Westminster bubble.

HindleA wrote:https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true

A Labour government would oblige private landlords to offer tenancies of indefinite length, based on the German system, in an attempt to give renters more security.

The plan, announced by the shadow housing secretary, John Healey, would seek to protect tenants from arbitrary eviction without having to give a reason. In contrast in Germany, landlords are only allowed to evict tenants for reasons such as failure to pay rent or committing an offence in the property.

Labour says the indefinite system brings more security for renters, with private tenancies in Germany lasting an average of 11 years, compared with about four in England. This would, the party says, particularly help the 1.6m households with dependant children in private rented accommodation.

Currently, tenants can be evicted with notice without any reason being given.