Monday 11th March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 7:03 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 7:37 am

Achy smurfs stumble responding to questions from Nick Robinson about "No Deal" (6,4).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 8:26 am

I'm sure HindleA was here when I last looked

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:00 am

Mersey vetch wrongly suggests all EU states will have to use Euro after 2020 (6,5).

Hint - I think I've used this anagram previously

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:26 am

Morning all.

I see that #McVeyFacts is now trending on that Twitter...

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Esther McVey:
“Trust in our politicians is at an all time low, it’s time to wake up”

Esther McVey (12 hours later):
“Ok I lied my balls off but I’m not apologising or deleting my tweet”

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:13 am

Axe personal allowance and pay everyone £48 a week, says thinktank
Radical tax proposal by the New Economics Foundation backed by shadow chancellor*
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -48-a-week" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Alfie Stirling of the New Economics Foundation said: “The persistent increases to the personal allowance of income tax seen over the past decade represent one of the most expensive and regressive public spending initiatives of the 21st century so far. Costing more than the whole of defence, local government and the Department for Transport combined and enriching the highest income households almost seven times faster than the poorest.”

* 'backed by the shadow chancellor' is pushing it a bit, he's welcoming a debate.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:22 am

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From 2020, a clause on page 88 of the Lisbon Treaty stipulates that it will be an offence to speak English "loudly and slowly" to foreigners in other EU member states. #McVeyFacts

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 11:08 am

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Marcus Fysh says there should be no fears about no-deal Brexit, saying he's been "working with HMRC to make a few tweaks" that would stop border chaos. Not sure this is 100% reassuring.

It must be difficult being an out and out Tory drone on these days when two Tories are trending for the wrong reasons...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 11:27 am

Andy Beckett in today's Graun - how did that get through the censors?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 12:52 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Andy Beckett in today's Graun - how did that get through the censors?

Every now and then elsewhere publishes things worth reading, said cJA mildly.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 12:52 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:14 pm

NAO wrote:The Government Digital Service (GDS), part of the Cabinet Office, developed Verify to be the default way for people to prove their identities so they can access online government services securely. It originally intended for Verify to be largely self-funding by the end of March 2018. Government...continues to fund it centrally, although it announced... this would stop in March 2020.
GDS has significantly revised down its estimated financial benefits by over £650 million....
Verify uses commercial providers to check people’s identities. GDS has reported a verification success rate of 48% at February 2019, against a projection of 90%.
Universal Credit remains Verify’s biggest government customer in verifying claimants identities and remains the major constraint in closing Verify. However, most claimants cannot even use Verify to apply for Universal Credit: only 38% of Universal Credit claimants can successfully verify their identity online....

GDS will withdraw from its operational role running Verify from April 2020. GDS envisages that under a market-based model, departments will procure Verify’s services directly from commercial providers. This means departments that currently do not pay their full usage costs for Verify would have to in future.
- National Audit Office
Investigation into Verify

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/in ... to-verify/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did we have this? I'd received the National Audit Office (NAO) notification in a recent e-mail though report is dated 5 March 2019

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:19 pm

May apparently wants to put off the meaningful vote *again* - but quite a few Tory MPs are now saying (and, importantly, in public) that this would not be acceptable.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:26 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Andy Beckett in today's Graun - how did that get through the censors?

Proportionate, reasonable, a good read

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-policies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:27 pm

He is generally one of their best and most insightful writers.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:29 pm

Is it me or does DFH really not understand how the Commons works?

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Is it me, or is there a high correlation between UQs Labour requests and UQs John Bercow grants.

5:38 AM - 11 Mar 2019

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:30 pm

He doesn't understand much else, so.......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:49 pm

Know your place you can't be X and one of "us" is highly pernicious .I was born classless and will die so,no one has the right of denying others self description.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 2:59 pm

Far from the false consciousness bullshit that makes me more aware,refusal to conform or be constrained by the traitor/sneering is essential,if you actually want to break barriers.Continually building the barricade gets you nowhere

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:06 pm

Refuse to be manipulated by others in their unreality simplistic view(s)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:08 pm

They are not your "friends"they are your playthings.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:19 pm

https://www.policyforum.labour.org.uk/c ... ity-system" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:28 pm

Just rereading the top of page, I decided to check our Twitter account.

We haven't Tweeted anything since a Merry Christmas 2016.

Thoughts?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:34 pm

Not sure I caught all of yesterday here.

Did we do Peter Oborne's review of Tom Bower's Corbyn biography?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:44 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Not sure I caught all of yesterday here.

Did we do Peter Oborne's review of Tom Bower's Corbyn biography?

A. Finch flew in briefly and left this over the weekend

Jeremy Corbyn and the truth about Tom Bower's book
Peter Oborne
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/t ... ader-truth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:51 pm

Thanks

And sorry I missed A

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 3:59 pm

And I've always found the hierarchical delineation of experience eg,sickness,disability,bereavement according to class/income to the point of negation,rather revolting.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 4:03 pm

Thoughts?Getting a horrible feeling about goal difference.

(You did ask

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 4:50 pm

Good morfternoon.

There's not all that much around to laugh about, but - have you all seen Theresa May's hat?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:12 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Just rereading the top of page, I decided to check our Twitter account.

We haven't Tweeted anything since a Merry Christmas 2016.

Thoughts?

Reviving the account might get a bit of new blood in?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:13 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

There's not all that much around to laugh about, but - have you all seen Theresa May's hat?

oh, honey

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:16 pm

'girl, what IS that on your head?'

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:27 pm

HindleA wrote:Thoughts?Getting a horrible feeling about goal difference.

(You did ask )

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:29 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Just rereading the top of page, I decided to check our Twitter account.

We haven't Tweeted anything since a Merry Christmas 2016.

Thoughts?
Reviving the account might get a bit of new blood in?

And even some old blood.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 5:34 pm

We have some interesting followers. I had forgotten!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 6:16 pm

Seeing Toby Young trending and it seems to follow the usual format:

TY: Here I am showing my ignorance. Go ahead and give me a good kicking
Everyone: Oh, can we? Very well then...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 6:40 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:We have some interesting followers. I had forgotten!

That word again . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 7:51 pm

So we await the Strasbourg pronouncement.

Sensible rumours (IMHO) are that she will announce a delay.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 7:55 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

There's not all that much around to laugh about, but - have you all seen Theresa May's hat?
oh, honey

It looks like someone has been using her as the peg in quoits!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 8:53 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:So we await the Strasbourg pronouncement.

Sensible rumours (IMHO) are that she will announce a delay.

But I guess this could be on top of some backstop nonsense.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:08 pm

She's shoes shopping

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:25 pm

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Sounds like Lidington statement in Commons won't be much before 10pm - unlikely to be before the PM in Strasbourg - whispers she has left the meetings there for a phone chat with the Irish - nothing clear yet

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:27 pm

Dp you think the crocodile skin one match my character Leo?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:33 pm

Don't know if this is true

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British PM T. #May is stuck at the European Parliament. Official #Jaguar is out of power in front of EP building!! Brexit is a breaking politics and technologies

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:54 pm

While we wait for Theresa May’s statement in Strasbourg, here’s a take on Brexit from the former Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd:

I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:58 pm

skinned-critter shoes, definitely

Post by **adam** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 9:59 pm

gilsey wrote:While we wait for Theresa May’s statement in Strasbourg, here’s a take on Brexit from the former Australian prime minister, Kevin Rudd:

I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks.

I love the fact that the actual headline for that story is 'Think the Commonwealth can save Brexit Britain? That's utter delusion'. I bet they'd just use the original in Australia.

Post by **adam** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:11 pm

Lidington tells MPs the “improved deal” will be put before them at the meaningful vote tomorrow – and will be the “only deal” on offer.

No details of what this is, other than 'legally binding changes'. It looks like we're back to 'my way of the highway'.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:17 pm

Starmer points out that May promised the WA would be changed and that it doesn't appear that it has.

Post by **adam** » Mon 11 Mar, 2019 10:27 pm

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