Tuesday 12th March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:02 am

Morning all.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:24 am

Good morfternoon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:27 am

@refitman

So it's official, then - the "refitmanian" calendar?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:35 am

Choose a day

Post by **refitman** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:35 am

PorFavor wrote:@refitman

So it's official, then - the "refitmanian" calendar?

That's my browser saving the text and me being half asleep.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 7:57 am

refitman wrote:
PorFavor wrote:@refitman

So it's official, then - the "refitmanian" calendar?
That's my browser saving the text and me being half asleep.

That's what the Khmer Rouge said.

Edited - brain still scrambled. Even now, I'm not sure that I've got the spelling correct.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:12 am

(Rod Belfitt day)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:17 am

Jon Snow
@jonsnowC4

A Lawyer contact tells me that the legal world is aware that the Attorney General said NO last night to the validity of Mrs May's 'new EU deal'...he been told to go away and find a way to say YES: A cohort of lawyers has been summoned.

Post by **adam** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:18 am

Just to make sure that everybody remains calm and focussed today, especially in the more contentious bits of the union

Bloody Sunday: Derry awaits decision on possible murder trial

Prosecutors are preparing to announce whether Parachute Regiment soldiers should face trial for murder

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:19 am

https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... hed-17-19/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:20 am

PorFavor wrote:
refitman wrote:
PorFavor wrote:@refitman

So it's official, then - the "refitmanian" calendar?
That's my browser saving the text and me being half asleep.
That's what the Khmer Rouge said.

Edited - brain still scrambled. Even now, I'm not sure that I've got the spelling correct.

Tyrannical former SE Asian regime destroyed Greek humor (5,5).

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:41 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jon Snow
@jonsnowC4

A Lawyer contact tells me that the legal world is aware that the Attorney General said NO last night to the validity of Mrs May's 'new EU deal'...he been told to go away and find a way to say YES: A cohort of lawyers has been summoned.

Seeing as he only seems able to speak in uppercase, maybe he could just sneakily substitute an appropriate anacronym:-
https://www.acronymattic.com/YES.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I quite like 'Your Entity Solution'.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 8:48 am

I now have an image of Geoffrey Cox walking on stage with a a gold envelope and saying the legal advice is.....

..... La La Land

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 9:53 am

Cox has Tweeted in reply to Snow

It just says "Bollocks"

I kid you not.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:36 am

Wren-Lewis

If you enjoyed the last two years and want more of the same, vote for May’s deal

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:44 am

Geoffrey Cox, the attorney general, will give a statement to MPs, Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, has confirmed.

This will come at 12.30pm, unless there is an urgent question which would come first. (Politics Live, Guardian)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 10:58 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... hed-17-19/

applying the cap to people who face significant barriers to work is having unintended consequences and causing unacceptable hardship and difficulties for many families.

'unintended consequences'

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... rview.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:06 am

gilsey wrote: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... rview.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That report includes a long list of every aspect of the cap and the changes that should be made, any sensible person would conclude that it should be scrapped asap.

Post by **adam** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:12 am

Cox's advice - risk of being stuck in backstop remains. Defeat for May today seems very likely, and on we go again.

Post by **adam** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:28 am

Really I suppose what should be said is 'further delay before the next 'meaningful vote' seems very likely, and on we go again.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:36 am

Hugh O'Connell
✔
@oconnellhugh

A DUP source says they do not see how the party can support the deal following Cox legal advice.

Game over, it would seem.

11:25 AM - Mar 12, 2019
(Politics Live, Guardian)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:49 am

gilsey wrote:Wren-Lewis

If you enjoyed the last two years and want more of the same, vote for May’s deal

This has been my understanding of the consequences of May's Withdrawal Agreement since its first debut

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 11:50 am

Good-morning, everyone

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:03 pm

So all the "journalists" proclaiming a May triumph last night were wrong, then??

I'm shocked!

Post by **adam** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:08 pm

Perfectly decent comment from Cox - a reminder that the AG is a political appointment but can manage to be above things.

I have been a barrister for 36 years, and a senior politician for seven months. My professional reputation is far more important to me than my reputation as a politician.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:27 pm

No decent person would even contemplate a benefit cap,freeze,"spare"room penalty,sanctioning sick/disabled people etc.I think the worst was the attempted removal of DLA mobility for those in care homes/residential schools.Politicos are loathe to accept they are shits and that being absolute shits may very well be popular.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:37 pm

citizenJA wrote:
gilsey wrote:Wren-Lewis

If you enjoyed the last two years and want more of the same, vote for May’s deal
This has been my understanding of the consequences of May's Withdrawal Agreement since its first debut

In short, if May’s deal is approved we can look forward to a politics dominated by internal squabbles within the Conservative Party, and the absence of constructive negotiations with Brussels, for perhaps the next four or more years. Much as we have seen for the past two years. This is because the WA does nothing to resolve internal Conservative conflicts, and more fundamentally conflicts inherent with Brexit itself.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:40 pm

Never understood the take from others satisfaction when it makes zero difference to me (apart from paying more for the consequences)currently and potentially reducing for yourself,beyond spite and stupidity

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:44 pm

It seems to be a peculiarly British "thing". A form of self-defeating pigheadedness (there's a lot of it about).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:45 pm

Unfortunately, spite and resentment are powerful motivators.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:47 pm

I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 12:58 pm

If you've got time for resentment and spite,you can't be actually that "hardworking" or at least crap at time management and judicious use of energies.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:05 pm

A lot of the baby boomers (of course the "core" demographic for this sort of stuff) of course weren't "hardworking" themselves at all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:06 pm

PorFavor wrote:I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.

I was made uncomfortably aware I probably judge people too hastily with too little information.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:09 pm

DUP will vote against May

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:10 pm

ERG also against

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:10 pm

Starmer already said Labour are against

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:10 pm

May is toast

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:11 pm

Barry Gardiner
‏@BarryGardiner
1m1 minute ago

The DUP’s @NigelDoddsDUP has just put the final nail into Theresa May’s political coffin

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:12 pm

As I boringly state,as a "hardworking taxpayer"I do less than I did in terms of mental/physical effort than when not and get paid for it.Not a moan about previous to be clear just a fact

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:16 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.
I was made uncomfortably aware I probably judge people too hastily with too little information.

Well, I don't think my original opinion of him has fundamentally changed. He simply turned out to have more professional (ie his legal profession) integrity than I had hoped. He's now shifted into "playing both ends against the middle" mode. Although he's still, thankfully, being fairly non-acktorely.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:22 pm

HindleA wrote:If you've got time for resentment and spite,you can't be actually that "hardworking" or at least crap at time management and judicious use of energies.

They're damaged people, they're stuck somewhere with unresolved trauma creating more of it. Seriously. Good parenting and community support bring up decent people. A lot of people don't get either of them growing up. Psychological health is every bit as important as physical health. Make good therapy from trustworthy, professional people available for everyone. Nothing solves problems better than a community of individuals knowing who they are, worthwhile and valuable just as they are, knowing at their core no title, trust fund, career or other external attainment makes a person valuable. Those are people you can trust with your life.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... lings-care" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:32 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.
I was made uncomfortably aware I probably judge people too hastily with too little information.
Well, I don't think my original opinion of him has fundamentally changed. He simply turned out to have more professional (ie his legal profession) integrity than I had hoped. He's now shifted into "playing both ends against the middle" mode. Although he's still, thankfully, being fairly non-acktorely.

I know
I knew writing it it's not just about him. I happened to notice my thoughts and feelings and thought it good to mention. People decide to vote for or against someone or something (or not vote at all) on bits of information.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -take-toll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:37 pm

Vote being pulled in 3. 2.. 1...

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:38 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I felt that Geoffrey Cox substantially toned down his delivery style today when he delivered his legal opinion.
I was made uncomfortably aware I probably judge people too hastily with too little information.
Well, I don't think my original opinion of him has fundamentally changed. He simply turned out to have more professional (ie his legal profession) integrity than I had hoped. He's now shifted into "playing both ends against the middle" mode. Although he's still, thankfully, being fairly non-acktorely.

Some more cynical folk on Twitter pointing out that Cox earns a very great deal more money as a lawyer than he does as an MP. Which reputation does he care more about?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:40 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:A lot of the baby boomers (of course the "core" demographic for this sort of stuff) of course weren't "hardworking" themselves at all.

House price inflation and other unwholesome macroeconomic constructs
Fossil-fuel based civilisation built up over decades
People use tools available
Good leadership and supportive teammates are essential

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 12 Mar, 2019 1:42 pm

In one final throw of the dice, the establishment have deployed their ultimate weapon to make sure Corbyn never becomes PM

(((Dan Hodges)))
‏@DPJHodges

For the first time I genuinely think we might be heading for a general election. And I also think an election heald amidst this chaos could end up with Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister. Incredible given everything that’s happened over the past few months.