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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Complete chaos in Parliament as Spelman is not allowed to withdraw the amendment. She may opt not to move it. But another signatory can.
Meanwhile the broadside attack on Labour for not campaigning for a People's Vote continues.
Yes - just saw Caroline Spelman and Jack Dromey being interviewed on TV. Jack Dromey is not moved to, er, move it, either. What's he up to?
There are rumours that Yvette Cooper may now move it, though. I hope she does - although I doubt it will pass.
May suffers fresh defeat as MPs vote to rule out no-deal Brexit for good by majority of four
Theresa May has been defeated by four votes, because MPs have backed the Spelman amendment ruling out a no-deal Brexit for good by 312 votes to 308. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... f8e0fc2675" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
MPs are now voting on the main motion, as amended.
But this is basically a re-run of the first vote. The result is likely to be very similar although it is possible that, because some MPs may not have expected Spelman to win first time round, they might vote differently now.
Former ministers making the point that if you allow members of the government to abstain on a three line whip you have no way of ever enforcing party discipline.
It's interesting the number of things that are happening where somebody somewhere in the conservative really must be thinking 'what kind of precedents are we establishing that we will despair at when Labour follow them'.
Baker is saying that he/the ERG will continue to vote down May's deal - that she has to go back and say 'it can't pass, you have to give us more'. He's delusional, but he is at least consistently delusional.
SO.... MV3 sometime in the next two weeks, loses, we seek long delay in order to... what?
adam wrote:Former ministers making the point that if you allow members of the government to abstain on a three line whip you have no way of ever enforcing party discipline.
It's interesting the number of things that are happening where somebody somewhere in the conservative really must be thinking 'what kind of precedents are we establishing that we will despair at when Labour follow them'.
Baker is saying that he/the ERG will continue to vote down May's deal - that she has to go back and say 'it can't pass, you have to give us more'. He's delusional, but he is at least consistently delusional.
SO.... MV3 sometime in the next two weeks, loses, we seek long delay in order to... what?
There probably cannot be MV3, because there is zero prospect of a significantly different deal to vote on.
A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session.
A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session.
I completely agreee with you, but that would be quite a call to make. I suspect he and they would try and find a way...
