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'This House declines to approve leaving EU without a WA & a framework on the future relationship on 29 March;

'And notes that leaving without a deal remains default in UK and EU law unless this House and EU ratify an agreement'

...the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered. As a result three million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty, as have the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU.

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Guy Verhofstadt, the leader of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe in the European parliament, and the parliament’s lead Brexit spokesman, is speaking now.

He starts by telling Henkel (see 9.45am) that Henkel needs to address his remarks to his Conservative party colleagues in the European Conservatives and Reformists group.

He says a long extension of article 50 would mean Nigel Farage staying on as an MEP. He would continue to get his salary, which he could pay into his offshore company, and he would continue to be able to do his “dirty work” in the EU. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:By the way here's the Motion

'This House declines to approve leaving EU without a WA & a framework on the future relationship on 29 March;

'And notes that leaving without a deal remains default in UK and EU law unless this House and EU ratify an agreement'

Well done to Yvette Cooper for doing her stuff and unpicking this for the fraud it is.

Not well done (IMHO) to Owen Smith and others who are moaning that Labour are not proposing a Peoples Vote.

In what way would campaigning for a Peoples Vote today help?

*Sorry for rant

What we need is now certainty from the House of Commons ... And so I am against every extension, whether an extension of one day, one week, even 24 hours, if it is not based on a clear opinion of the House of Commons for something, that we know what they want. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Willow904 wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:By the way here's the Motion

'This House declines to approve leaving EU without a WA & a framework on the future relationship on 29 March;

'And notes that leaving without a deal remains default in UK and EU law unless this House and EU ratify an agreement'

Well done to Yvette Cooper for doing her stuff and unpicking this for the fraud it is.

Not well done (IMHO) to Owen Smith and others who are moaning that Labour are not proposing a Peoples Vote.

In what way would campaigning for a Peoples Vote today help?

*Sorry for rant

If a further referendum is to be held, a long enough extension to article 50 needs to be requested right now. There won't be a later opportunity to back a further referendum. If a short extension is requested and agreed, a further referendum is dead in the water.

I'm not especially supportive of another referendum myself, just pointing out why those who do support one are right to be disappointed by Corbyn's current reticence on the subject.

May's analysis of where things stand at this stage remains the most realistic. She isn't "running down the clock" she has run down the clock, job done. We're looking at her deal, no deal or no Brexit. There's one more chance tomorrow for parliament to demand a long extension - long enough to hold a GE, or a referendum or re-open negotiations. This will mean accepting taking part in the EU elections. I see no sign of that happening, but it is still possible. Just. Yvette Cooper has been championing this approach since January, but I've no clue if she has any hope of winning over a majority or not. Probably not.

Incidentally, if parliament is serious about taking "no deal" off the table, they can legislate for May to revoke article 50 if a deal isn't ratified one day before we are due to leave (whenever that may be). That they haven't done so suggests the majority against "no deal" is much softer than many people realise. It's all very well being against no deal in theory, but in practice it will mean supporting something that can be equally politically unpalatable.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:By the way here's the Motion

'This House declines to approve leaving EU without a WA & a framework on the future relationship on 29 March;

'And notes that leaving without a deal remains default in UK and EU law unless this House and EU ratify an agreement'

Well done to Yvette Cooper for doing her stuff and unpicking this for the fraud it is.

Not well done (IMHO) to Owen Smith and others who are moaning that Labour are not proposing a Peoples Vote.

In what way would campaigning for a Peoples Vote today help?

*Sorry for rant

Willow904 wrote: Incidentally, if parliament is serious about taking "no deal" off the table, they can legislate for May to revoke article 50 if a deal isn't ratified one day before we are due to leave (whenever that may be). That they haven't done so suggests the majority against "no deal" is much softer than many people realise. It's all very well being against no deal in theory, but in practice it will mean supporting something that can be equally politically unpalatable.

'I tell you there's been a mistake! Give me my goddamn [Article 50] back!'

Here’s our plan for an orderly no-deal Brexit, and delivered on time
- Owen Paterson

PorFavor wrote:James Cleverly has just said, in a TV interview, that Northern Ireland "is an island". Well, it's on an island - but, by itself, it isn't "an island".

"One thing they worry about more than no deal is a Corbyn government."

- T May

citizenJA wrote:

"One thing they worry about more than no deal is a Corbyn government."

- T May

She's projecting again
Her dysfunctional government is bad for business, people and nation

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

"One thing they worry about more than no deal is a Corbyn government."

- T May

She's projecting again
Her dysfunctional government is bad for business, people and nation

Who is "they"?

May says she wants a deal. Businesses want that too. One thing they worry about more than no deal is a Corbyn government.

Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
Last week @arron_banks & @andywigmore went to Veneto, the heartland of Italy's Lega Nord. Today, the plan is revealed. The fascists have agreed to help Britain exit without a deal. Salvini will block an extension of article 50. We're fucked.

Willow904 wrote:

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@carolecadwalla
Last week
@arron_banks
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@andywigmore
went to Veneto, the heartland of Italy's Lega Nord. Today, the plan is revealed. The fascists have agreed to help Britain exit without a deal. Salvini will block an extension of article 50. We're fucked.

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If true, then we're looking at "no deal" or no Brexit. When is the last opportunity to revoke article 50, given the Withdrawal Act will need amending to prevent it automatically being implemented on the 29th?

Labour Whips
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@labourwhips

The Government have confirmed that @michaelgove not @theresa_may will open the no-Deal debate. @LiamFox will close. For @UKLabour it will be @Keir_Starmer and @mtpennycook
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PorFavor wrote:I find John McDonnell at lot more easy to warm to (shorthand for all manner of things) than I do Jeremy Corbyn.

PorFavor wrote:I can't bear to listen to the oleaginous Gove. Over to you, PaulfromYorkshire.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Reading that May is asking Spelman not to press her amendment because she will whip against and there are ministers for.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Meanwhile the broadside attack on Labour for not campaigning for a People's Vote continues.