FlyTheNest

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 6:20 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Complete chaos in Parliament as Spelman is not allowed to withdraw the amendment. She may opt not to move it. But another signatory can.

Meanwhile the broadside attack on Labour for not campaigning for a People's Vote continues.

Yes - just saw Caroline Spelman and Jack Dromey being interviewed on TV. Jack Dromey is not moved to, er, move it, either. What's he up to?

There are rumours that Yvette Cooper may now move it, though. I hope she does - although I doubt it will pass.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 6:24 pm**

I've TdO.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 6:31 pm**

I've just caught up with Politics Live, Guardian. Looks like Yvette Cooper won't be moving the Spelman amendment.

Edited - typo

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 6:38 pm**

What's going on?

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 6:41 pm**

citizenJA wrote:What's going on?

You may well ask . . .

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:05 pm**

Yvette Cooper has just moved the Spelman Amendment. Voting on it now.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:16 pm**

Ayes: 312

Noes: 308

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:18 pm**

Oh, dear. What will Theresa May say? Oh, sorry - she's lost her voice.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:19 pm**

May suffers fresh defeat as MPs vote to rule out no-deal Brexit for good by majority of four

Theresa May has been defeated by four votes, because MPs have backed the Spelman amendment ruling out a no-deal Brexit for good by 312 votes to 308.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... f8e0fc2675" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:20 pm**

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:What's going on?
You may well ask . . .

I didn't refresh before dashing back
Sorry for the echo

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:21 pm**

Malthouse Amendment being voted on now.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:22 pm**

Spelman amendment succeeds!

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:23 pm**

Snaptastic but great news

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:33 pm**

Ayes: 164

Noes: 374

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:35 pm**

Next up - the main motion as amended (ie by the Spelman Amendment).

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:38 pm**

Gov now whipping against their own motion because of the amendment

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:43 pm**

MPs are now voting on the main motion, as amended.

But this is basically a re-run of the first vote. The result is likely to be very similar although it is possible that, because some MPs may not have expected Spelman to win first time round, they might vote differently now.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... d23425b4b6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I mean no disrespect to the publication I'm quoting from above
MPs are voting what, now?
I have a devil of a time keeping up with it all

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:45 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Gov now whipping against their own motion because of the amendment

what a relief, thank you, PfY
things seem cockamamie because they are

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:50 pm**

Ayes: 321

Noes: 278

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:56 pm**

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Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 7:56 pm**

And lost

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:00 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And lost

May doesn't accept that

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:06 pm**

[May] says tonight’s vote does not change the fundamental problem; if MPs want to rule out no deal, they must vote for a deal, she says.

Allow MPs to legislate in the best interests of people and country
Not the interests of your Tory party

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:10 pm**

However, "No Deal" is still a real possibility if there is no deal. So it remains a worry.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:12 pm**

May voted for No Deal!

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:17 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:May voted for No Deal!

Yes. Her brain must be a strange place.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 8:30 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:May voted for No Deal!

PMQs this early afternoon May croaking at Corbyn, making a liar out of herself this evening

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 9:14 pm**

Former ministers making the point that if you allow members of the government to abstain on a three line whip you have no way of ever enforcing party discipline.

It's interesting the number of things that are happening where somebody somewhere in the conservative really must be thinking 'what kind of precedents are we establishing that we will despair at when Labour follow them'.

Baker is saying that he/the ERG will continue to vote down May's deal - that she has to go back and say 'it can't pass, you have to give us more'. He's delusional, but he is at least consistently delusional.

SO.... MV3 sometime in the next two weeks, loses, we seek long delay in order to... what?

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 9:28 pm**

Illegitimately preventing different leadership from government has precedents

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 9:35 pm**

May's withdrawal agreement has been voted down. Why is it still getting waved around?

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 9:58 pm**

PorFavor wrote:However, "No Deal" is still a real possibility if there is no deal

Come again?

I have been out tonight, looks like I have missed some real fun.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:05 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:However, "No Deal" is still a real possibility if there is no deal
Come again?

I have been out tonight, looks like I have missed some real fun.

A chaotic night for Theresa May.

Although I enjoy seeing her snookered, I don't feel that, in practical terms, we've really gained much.
It's all a bit symbolic.

Fun while it lasted, though!

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:17 pm**

Are the UK's leaving the EU machinations constitutionally valid?

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:19 pm**

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 10:29 pm**

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Dan Hodges has now dropped the pretence and is basically just acting as if he's taking the side of the government front bench.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:02 pm**

adam wrote:Former ministers making the point that if you allow members of the government to abstain on a three line whip you have no way of ever enforcing party discipline.

It's interesting the number of things that are happening where somebody somewhere in the conservative really must be thinking 'what kind of precedents are we establishing that we will despair at when Labour follow them'.

Baker is saying that he/the ERG will continue to vote down May's deal - that she has to go back and say 'it can't pass, you have to give us more'. He's delusional, but he is at least consistently delusional.

SO.... MV3 sometime in the next two weeks, loses, we seek long delay in order to... what?

There probably cannot be MV3, because there is zero prospect of a significantly different deal to vote on.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:02 pm**

A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session.

Posted: **Wed 13 Mar, 2019 11:08 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during that same session.

I completely agreee with you, but that would be quite a call to make. I suspect he and they would try and find a way...

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