Re: Thursday 14th March 2019
Posted: Thu 14 Mar, 2019 6:52 pm
Turn back a page and then PTO.
Bit like "Brexit".
Bit like "Brexit".
European commission stresses article 50 extension not automatic, and that EU would have to consider its own interests
The European commission has issued a response to tonight’s vote. It is stressing that the UK would not automatically be granted an extension to article 50, and it says the EU would have to consider its own interests when deciding whether to agree one. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Not sure. Some people think taking part in the elections only becomes a necessity when the European Parliament starts to sit at the beginning of July.RogerOThornhill wrote:So that means - if the EU agree - that we have to contest the European elections to be held in late May.
It's spookily close to the idea that the Local Authority was stopping schools doing things and they needed to be set free as academies - exactly the same kind of language.BBC Newsnight
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But not everyone felt this way…
On the same day, Labour's Kate Hoey described Brexit as an opportunity to be free from the "straitjacket" of the EU.
"I feel this is really going to wake the United Kingdom up to being able to look at new ideas"
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If her deal is rejected again next week, I would have thought there would be another attempt to pass one of the amendments that only just failed today?Willow904 wrote:Not sure. Some people think taking part in the elections only becomes a necessity when the European Parliament starts to sit at the beginning of July.RogerOThornhill wrote:So that means - if the EU agree - that we have to contest the European elections to be held in late May.
My hunch is that she is still hoping to get her deal passed by the end of next week so she will be asking for an extension simply to ratify the deal and if she doesn't get it passed I fear crashing out with no deal on the 29th March is still very much on the cards.
There's not much wriggle room. We need to ask for an extension by the 21st March and we need to know what we intend to do with the extension to have the best chance of getting one. Revoking article 50 is the only certain route to avoid no deal at thispoint. Passing May's deal is probably the surest way of securing an extension. Everything else is very dicey. Especially given the MPs roughly aligned in opposition to hard Brexit don't appear to be working together especially well.AnatolyKasparov wrote:If her deal is rejected again next week, I would have thought there would be another attempt to pass one of the amendments that only just failed today?Willow904 wrote:Not sure. Some people think taking part in the elections only becomes a necessity when the European Parliament starts to sit at the beginning of July.RogerOThornhill wrote:So that means - if the EU agree - that we have to contest the European elections to be held in late May.
My hunch is that she is still hoping to get her deal passed by the end of next week so she will be asking for an extension simply to ratify the deal and if she doesn't get it passed I fear crashing out with no deal on the 29th March is still very much on the cards.
Cable to stand down as Lib Dem leader
The leader of the Liberal Democrats, Sir Vince Cable, will stand down the role after the local elections in May, he has said. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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I’ve heard it all now. The Brexit Secretary has just voted against the motion that he’d just been arguing for. Anyone got a better word than Omnishambles?
PorFavor wrote:Question Time tonight. Julia Hartley-Brewer with a side-order of James Cleverly, anyone?
The other thing I've read about this today is that even if all of this expertise were wrong, even if there could be a case to be made and even if it were successful, then it wouldn't bring the backstop to an end, it would bring the treaty to an end. Either the withdrawal agreement, encompassing the backstop, or some subsequent trade deal, which you can be sure as anything will also encompass the backstop. So if we defied all legal expertise and won the case, we'd be out on our own with absolutely no transition arrangements, no trade deal, and no acceptance of our domestic standards and regulations. With Mauritania. Maybe. And with nobody in the world trusting us to keep to any deal at all if we could find the smallest ambiguity in the detail of it anywhere.RogerOThornhill wrote:By coincidence I just saw this on the same subject.PorFavor wrote:No problem, then . . .Conservative Brexiters are to ask a group of lawyers to examine a new proposal to exit the backstop using article 62 of the Vienna convention. (See 9.48am, 1.47pm and 2.35pm.)
The ERG will ask lawyers including the QC Martin Howe, the only non-MP on their “star chamber” of lawyers, to examine how that could work as a unilateral exit mechanism
He[Martin Howe, QC] said that the international court of justice had considered “the fall of the Soviet Union, disappearance of the Warsaw Pact and dissolution of Czechoslovakia, were not sufficient to satisfy this ground”.
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Summary - the ERG are talking utter twaddle.
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Couldn't help myself.PorFavor wrote:Question Time tonight. Julia Hartley-Brewer with a side-order of James Cleverly, anyone?