Tuesday 30th September 2014

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 1:44 pm

I believe, though I may be wrong, that Roger spotted this around 12 hours ago?

http://m.accountingweb.co.uk/article/pe ... ers/564937" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 1:52 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:I believe, though I may be wrong, that Roger spotted this around 12 hours ago?

http://m.accountingweb.co.uk/article/pe ... ers/564937" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, it was the article in the DT.

Good to see that we're still all in this together...

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 1:56 pm

Okay, hats off to Teresa May; this is a brave speech to make when those on the right of your party are hanging their hats on shoogly pegs. Guidos people must be up in arms:

This hateful ideology has nothing to do with Islam itself. And it is rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Britain and around the world. The Quran says: “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other.” It says: “let there be no compulsion in religion.” So let the message go out from this hall that the extremists will never succeed in dividing us. Let the message go out that we know Islam is a religion of peace and it has nothing to do with the ideology of our enemies. Let us stand side by side with the British Muslims who are coming together and saying “not in my name”.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:04 pm

A heartfelt article for John Wight on the Huff. Don't recognise the name but have to agree with the sentiment.

For the sake of humanity society must unleash war on the Tories:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/john-wi ... 57888.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the prepaid card thing, the Red Cross have condemned the Azure card for asylum seekers, can't see any other version not having the same problems. People are having to trek miles by foot to find the supermarkets that take them, there's no allocation for travel, and few people are managing three meals a day. It sounds as though you can top up gas and electricity, though again the outlets that will do this are few and far between. You cannot carry over more than five pounds in a week so things like shoes become un obtainable, without cash you can't even buy at charity shops. The unsaid things, such as how do you access personal non food items, or winter coats, warm waterproof shoes for winter, even things like bedding, seemed absent from discussion. If there were substantial numbers of people living like this then only one conclusion can be drawn, such people would have to beg, either from the charities or in public. It looks very much as if they will use those with addictions as a kind of pilot, it was already suggested a couple of years ago for wider use. The Huff article suggests urgency is needed but doesn't give that many ideas on how you unleash war peacefully, can only think that wider participation is the only way forward, but who knows which way the non-voting public would cast their ballots.....

Edited to correct autocorrect garble.

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:12 pm

The Prepaid Cards idea is ridiculous and assumes that these "feral people" live isolated lives where they never know anyone who's not on benefits.

In practice, what will happen is that they'll either:

1. Go shopping with someone who doesn't have a card and buy their shopping for them in exchange for cash

2. Buy more than they need from the supermarket and then try to sell it door to door (like Ocado for the poor)

3. Steal the cash they need.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:17 pm

Absolutely, DHP. And welcome.

And how does it work with alcoholics and drug addicts? I reckon they'll be deterred from seeking help.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:24 pm

So let me get this straight, 400 million quid over 5 years, that works out at 80 million a year, that is going to fund 7 day access for the whole of England to have access to a GP, ok, anyone expect it to be quietly shuffled off to the back burner during the winter months?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:26 pm

Another schools which converted to academy status in Sep 2012 has gone into special measures today.

The Matthew Arnold School in Surrey which was graded as Satisfactory last time it was inspected (now the same grade would get you a requires Improvement).

Let become a converter academy i.e. stand-alone in September 2012.

Re-inspected in July and has gone into special measures today with an Inadequate rating.

Apparently it will be taken over by a multi-academy trust next term.

Wonder if we'll ever find out who allowed them to become a stand-alone academy when they were only a Satisfactory school?

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:26 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Spammers are multiplying again, none this morning, around 20 now, our own version of trolls.

Just had a relaxing 20 minutes deleting the lot and banning their IP addresses. Only one that I wouldn't remove was a possible real poster who has at least thanked AnatolyKasparov once. Step forward Anatoly, you apparently have a fan in Belgium! (even if she is likely to be a bot)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:28 pm

I am intrigued

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:29 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Another schools which converted to academy status in Sep 2012 has gone into special measures today.

The Matthew Arnold School in Surrey which was graded as Satisfactory last time it was inspected (now the same grade would get you a requires Improvement).

Let become a converter academy i.e. stand-alone in September 2012.

Re-inspected in July and has gone into special measures today with an Inadequate rating.

Apparently it will be taken over by a multi-academy trust next term.

Wonder if we'll ever find out who allowed them to become a stand-alone academy when they were only a Satisfactory school?

Blah, blah, been held back by the lefty bureaucrats (in Surrey). Free it up and watch it thrive.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:30 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I am intrigued

I may well PM our Monica just to see if she does actually exist, since I don't know how you could 'thank' someone unless they can find the button on screen.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:31 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Spammers are multiplying again, none this morning, around 20 now, our own version of trolls.
Just had a relaxing 20 minutes deleting the lot and banning their IP addresses. Only one that I wouldn't remove was a possible real poster who has at least thanked AnatolyKasparov once. Step forward Anatoly, you apparently have a fan in Belgium! (even if she is likely to be a bot)

I spent 10 minutes deleting links to Ugg boots and super strength Viagra around 4.30 this morning, mildly satisfying I must say.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:34 pm

Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:36 pm

DonutHingeParty wrote:The Prepaid Cards idea is ridiculous and assumes that these "feral people" live isolated lives where they never know anyone who's not on benefits.

In practice, what will happen is that they'll either:

1. Go shopping with someone who doesn't have a card and buy their shopping for them in exchange for cash

2. Buy more than they need from the supermarket and then try to sell it door to door (like Ocado for the poor)

3. Steal the cash they need.

They have the same sort of scheme in Australia only I think theirs is more sophisticated than anything George Smith and the twats at the DWP could dream up.
Even so from what I've read, it's not exactly working well.

I posted the link a little earlier today. It makes interesting reading, and I suspect like all of George's schemes is going to be a dismal failure whilst the children still suffer.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:37 pm

seeingclearly wrote:Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.

That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:39 pm

Hi DHP. Soon it really will be an echo chamber over there.

Speaking of "over there".

We have no media willing to take on the triumph of greed. The most “left wing” of British newspapers, the Guardian, pays its editor total remuneration of over half a million per year and “star” columnists 300,000, while exploiting interns and junior staff, and squandering 35 million pounds a year of C P Scott’s great endowment in losses – straight into its senior staff’s pockets.

Craig Murray's take on Osborne and Wally Smith's latest attack on "the undeserving poor", complete with that lovely swipe at the dear ol' Graun.

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/ ... t-society/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:40 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Another schools which converted to academy status in Sep 2012 has gone into special measures today.

The Matthew Arnold School in Surrey which was graded as Satisfactory last time it was inspected (now the same grade would get you a requires Improvement).

Let become a converter academy i.e. stand-alone in September 2012.

Re-inspected in July and has gone into special measures today with an Inadequate rating.

Apparently it will be taken over by a multi-academy trust next term.

Wonder if we'll ever find out who allowed them to become a stand-alone academy when they were only a Satisfactory school?
Blah, blah, been held back by the lefty bureaucrats (in Surrey). Free it up and watch it thrive.

Ah yes, those freedoms...

The school has used its freedom as an academy to create a separate curriculum in Key Stage 4 for less able students. However, the restricted choice of courses provided for these students does not interest them sufficiently. The teachers delivering the courses do not give enough attention to meeting the students’ learning needs

That went well...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:42 pm

Of local interest only, but another fine old building being left to rot, so eventually its owners can demolish and have prim building land?

Sir Richard Leese, Leader of Manchester City Council, said: “London Road Fire Station is a wonderful landmark building with the potential to make a significant contribution to the regeneration of the Piccadilly area. “But over more than a quarter of a century, it has been allowed to blight this part of the city centre instead. The building’s current owners have presided over its deterioration and disuse. Despite making public commitments to bring it back into use, they have so far failed to demonstrate any genuine intention to do so. In this case, their inaction speaks louder than words. “We are giving them one last chance but they need to act quickly to take it. The people of Manchester have waited long enough for this fine heritage building to be brought back to life, and we will do everything in our power to make sure this happens.” - See more at: http://citycentrelabour.org.uk/mcc-laun ... V3gSM.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://citycentrelabour.org.uk/mcc-laun ... e-station/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:50 pm

Vaughan Gething ‏@vaughangething 13m13 minutes ago
NHS in Wales to get an extra £425m over this year and next announces @WG_FinanceMin #draftbudget

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 2:57 pm

DonutHingeParty wrote:The Prepaid Cards idea is ridiculous and assumes that these "feral people" live isolated lives where they never know anyone who's not on benefits.

In practice, what will happen is that they'll either:

1. Go shopping with someone who doesn't have a card and buy their shopping for them in exchange for cash

2. Buy more than they need from the supermarket and then try to sell it door to door (like Ocado for the poor)

3. Steal the cash they need.

We have no idea how wide the dragnet will be for those coming under the addiction label will be. The term feral people has been used to describe everything from single mums with big tellies, to homeless people who have been trafficked. Not all people with addiction issues look or behave the same, and like any other condition they have better times, worse times and sometimes recovering times. They can be any age or class. Sometimes people with no addiction at all get labelled as drunk because they have movement disorders or epilepsy, with a system in so much chaos we have no way of knowing whether semi-trained pseudo medical people will wrongly identify people as being addicts, or even whether there will be quotas to get onto such cards. Where they have been used they are a disaster for the people forced to use them. Still people elected governments in that use them. The Azure card is used here for all migrants who wind up here without work or work permits, mostly asylum seekers, refugees and trafficked people, it includes those with children. It is worth about thirty quid a week. It's not seen as ridiculous for them, so it's hard to dismiss the possibility they would be introduced for wider use.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:01 pm

Temulkar wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.
That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.

Yes. No news on UC itself, other than the conference stuff.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:14 pm

Temulkar wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.
That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.

To lose one head of Universal Credit is unfortunate. To lose seven is . . . well, I don't know what it is. Although I've got a fairly good theory.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I am intrigued

Fame at last. Can I have your autograph please?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:17 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.
That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.
To lose one head of Universal Credit is unfortunate. To lose seven is . . . well, I don't know what it is. Although I've got a fairly good theory.

Its more than a Hydra....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:18 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:The Prepaid Cards idea is ridiculous and assumes that these "feral people" live isolated lives where they never know anyone who's not on benefits.

In practice, what will happen is that they'll either:

1. Go shopping with someone who doesn't have a card and buy their shopping for them in exchange for cash

2. Buy more than they need from the supermarket and then try to sell it door to door (like Ocado for the poor)

3. Steal the cash they need.
We have no idea how wide the dragnet will be for those coming under the addiction label will be. The term feral people has been used to describe everything from single mums with big tellies, to homeless people who have been trafficked. Not all people with addiction issues look or behave the same, and like any other condition they have better times, worse times and sometimes recovering times. They can be any age or class. Sometimes people with no addiction at all get labelled as drunk because they have movement disorders or epilepsy, with a system in so much chaos we have no way of knowing whether semi-trained pseudo medical people will wrongly identify people as being addicts, or even whether there will be quotas to get onto such cards. Where they have been used they are a disaster for the people forced to use them. Still people elected governments in that use them. The Azure card is used here for all migrants who wind up here without work or work permits, mostly asylum seekers, refugees and trafficked people, it includes those with children. It is worth about thirty quid a week. It's not seen as ridiculous for them, so it's hard to dismiss the possibility they would be introduced for wider use.

Freud saying it will be voluntary ,but of course with Government misuse of language ,that could mean anything.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:20 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:Financial Times and others reporting Howard Shiplee of Universal Credit fame has quit. No link because I don't have a subscription.
That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.
Yes. No news on UC itself, other than the conference stuff.

Yes, you'd think\hope there would have been an in-depth look at the current situation (ie what's changed) given Iain Smith's grandiose plans which he announced yesterday.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:22 pm

PorFavor wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:
Temulkar wrote: That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.
Yes. No news on UC itself, other than the conference stuff.
Yes, you'd think\hope there would have been an in-depth look at the current situation (ie what's changed) given Iain Smith's grandiose plans which he announced yesterday.

Here's the computer world link:

http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/pub ... two-years/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JackPranker · Post by **JackPranker** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:25 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:I spent 10 minutes deleting links to Ugg boots and super strength Viagra around 4.30 this morning, mildly satisfying I must say.

Giggidy...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:
Temulkar wrote: That would be the 7th head of UC to go in 2 years.
Yes. No news on UC itself, other than the conference stuff.
Yes, you'd think\hope there would have been an in-depth look at the current situation (ie what's changed) given Iain Smith's grandiose plans which he announced yesterday.

DWP press release ,note the "New claims for single jobseekers"
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plan ... north-west" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More here
http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/2 ... edit-words" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:30 pm

@seeingclearly

Thank you for the link. Seems to me as if nothing's changed with regard to tangible improvements, then. Otherwise they'd have been crowing about it.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:39 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Of local interest only, but another fine old building being left to rot, so eventually its owners can demolish and have prim building land?

Sir Richard Leese, Leader of Manchester City Council, said: “London Road Fire Station is a wonderful landmark building with the potential to make a significant contribution to the regeneration of the Piccadilly area. “But over more than a quarter of a century, it has been allowed to blight this part of the city centre instead. The building’s current owners have presided over its deterioration and disuse. Despite making public commitments to bring it back into use, they have so far failed to demonstrate any genuine intention to do so. In this case, their inaction speaks louder than words. “We are giving them one last chance but they need to act quickly to take it. The people of Manchester have waited long enough for this fine heritage building to be brought back to life, and we will do everything in our power to make sure this happens.” - See more at: http://citycentrelabour.org.uk/mcc-laun ... V3gSM.dpuf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://citycentrelabour.org.uk/mcc-laun ... e-station/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't councils have the right to make a compulsory purchase under certain circumstances? In Ireland that can be done with derelict properties, don't know about the UK.

In the village where I grew up, a row of 18th century cottages were allowed to fall into ruin so the owner could develop the land, and for that reason I've always hated this practice.

Manchester tried CPO - Pickles stopped the application....

The city council made an attempt in 2011 which was overturned by local government minister Eric Pickles

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:44 pm

Policy document from Demos on cards. The Power of Pre- paid.

http://www.demos.co.uk/files/Power_of_p ... 1359476379" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 3:47 pm

PorFavor wrote:@seeingclearly

Thank you for the link. Seems to me as if nothing's changed with regard to tangible improvements, then. Otherwise they'd have been crowing about it.

They should be due for another session with the PAC soon.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:04 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Of local interest only, but another fine old building being left to rot, so eventually its owners can demolish and have prim building land?
http://citycentrelabour.org.uk/mcc-laun ... e-station/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't councils have the right to make a compulsory purchase under certain circumstances? In Ireland that can be done with derelict properties, don't know about the UK.

In the village where I grew up, a row of 18th century cottages were allowed to fall into ruin so the owner could develop the land, and for that reason I've always hated this practice.
Manchester tried CPO - Pickles stopped the application....

The city council made an attempt in 2011 which was overturned by local government minister Eric Pickles

I wonder which developer made a hefty contribution to his curry/biscuit fund to secure that?

rearofthestore · Post by **rearofthestore** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:27 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: Don't councils have the right to make a compulsory purchase under certain circumstances? In Ireland that can be done with derelict properties, don't know about the UK.

In the village where I grew up, a row of 18th century cottages were allowed to fall into ruin so the owner could develop the land, and for that reason I've always hated this practice.
Manchester tried CPO - Pickles stopped the application....

The city council made an attempt in 2011 which was overturned by local government minister Eric Pickles
I wonder which developer made a hefty contribution to his curry/biscuit fund to secure that?

I used to work for many years in the tower building opposite the fire station above Piccadilly Station.
It is now owned by Britannia hotels who own the Adelphi Hotel in Liverpool and bought Pontin's holiday camps and made them worse than they originally were. Frequently featured on Watchdog on the BBC!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:36 pm

Whooo...Mr Ohso and I have just had a nasty shock.

Had the car MoTd and front brakes replaced towards the end of July. Haven't been out and about in it much but have been on the mootorway a few times.
Yesterday we were on our way to do some shopping. Funny flapping thumping noise from front of car, but nothing obvious, and Mr Ohso can't get down to check the lower regions. Drove carefully home, called in a local mobile mechanic and all the wheel nuts were loose. He unscrewed the locking nut on the left front wheel with his fingers! The wheel was about to fall off. The other three wheels were loose as well.
That made our tickers thump for a minute.
So, we've just been on to Trading Standards...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:48 pm

Will Black ‏@WillBlackWriter 9m9 minutes ago
Jeremy Hunt rewriting history by claiming Churchill was pivotal in Labour's NHS. Like when Louise Mensch said Mandela was a Tory. #CPC14

Another Tory that can lie without blushing. The Tories fought tooth and claw against forming the NHS.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:52 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Whooo...Mr Ohso and I have just had a nasty shock.

Had the car MoTd and front brakes replaced towards the end of July. Haven't been out and about in it much but have been on the mootorway a few times.
Yesterday we were on our way to do some shopping. Funny flapping thumping noise from front of car, but nothing obvious, and Mr Ohso can't get down to check the lower regions. Drove carefully home, called in a local mobile mechanic and all the wheel nuts were loose. He unscrewed the locking nut on the left front wheel with his fingers! The wheel was about to fall off. The other three wheels were loose as well.
That made our tickers thump for a minute.
So, we've just been on to Trading Standards...
Crikey! I'm amazed how relatively often that sort of thing happens. On the one hand a lucky escape. On the other, something that you should never have needed to escape from.

We were on a fast stretch of open road. If we hadn't stopped when we did, chances are we'd have ended up down a steep embankment and straight into thick pine forest.

Evidently not our time to go....

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 4:59 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Will Black ‏@WillBlackWriter 9m9 minutes ago
Jeremy Hunt rewriting history by claiming Churchill was pivotal in Labour's NHS. Like when Louise Mensch said Mandela was a Tory. #CPC14

Another Tory that can lie without blushing. The Tories fought tooth and claw against forming the NHS.
Presumably if Churchill was so instrumental in the NHS he can also take credit for the Welfare State?

Believe me, I am trying hard not to swear, but what the fuck, Hunt in his speech said it will be the Tories who complete Nye Bevan's vision for the NHS? WHAT???? The bastard also said Labour's scaremongering nearly cost us Scotland. I could cheerfully nut that arsehole.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:11 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Will Black ‏@WillBlackWriter 9m9 minutes ago
Jeremy Hunt rewriting history by claiming Churchill was pivotal in Labour's NHS. Like when Louise Mensch said Mandela was a Tory. #CPC14

Another Tory that can lie without blushing. The Tories fought tooth and claw against forming the NHS.
Presumably if Churchill was so instrumental in the NHS he can also take credit for the Welfare State?
Believe me, I am trying hard not to swear, but what the fuck, Hunt in his speech said it will be the Tories who complete Nye Bevan's vision for the NHS? WHAT???? The bastard also said Labour's scaremongering nearly cost us Scotland. I could cheerfully nut that arsehole.

And, in his further body swerve through an alternative universe, Hitler bred labradoodles, Judge Jeffries was renowned as a famous liberal minded judge and Mao Tse Tung was a world famous acrobat. And Jeremy Hunt had a brain.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:12 pm

I am becoming totally gobsmacked at the sheer lies being peddaled at the Tory conference this year.

For Hunt to claim the Tories were for forming the NHS is such a bare faced lie that I wonder how he has the gall to stand on a stage and get his mouth round the words. Redwoods threats yesterday. What's next. Book burning?

And there are Tories out there that are perfectly happy to go along with the lies. How could they. How fucking could they!

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:16 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Will Black ‏@WillBlackWriter 9m9 minutes ago
Jeremy Hunt rewriting history by claiming Churchill was pivotal in Labour's NHS. Like when Louise Mensch said Mandela was a Tory. #CPC14

Another Tory that can lie without blushing. The Tories fought tooth and claw against forming the NHS.
Presumably if Churchill was so instrumental in the NHS he can also take credit for the Welfare State?

Churchill's opposition voted 21 times against the NHS Bill including second and third readings. Thats not just revisionism thats outright blatant falsehood. The media need to call him up on it.

Im starting to hope UKIP do pull another tory out of the hat just to wipe the smug grins off their faces.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:17 pm

I thought I'd give watching Jeremy Hunt a swerve and I'm glad I did. There's only so much a person can take. Maybe I'll catch him on an action re-play later. I'm lucky like that . . .

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:20 pm

Temulkar wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Will Black ‏@WillBlackWriter 9m9 minutes ago
Jeremy Hunt rewriting history by claiming Churchill was pivotal in Labour's NHS. Like when Louise Mensch said Mandela was a Tory. #CPC14

Another Tory that can lie without blushing. The Tories fought tooth and claw against forming the NHS.
Presumably if Churchill was so instrumental in the NHS he can also take credit for the Welfare State?
Churchill's opposition voted 21 times against the NHS Bill including second and third readings. Thats not just revisionism thats outright blatant falsehood. The media need to call him up on it.

Im starting to hope UKIP do pull another tory out of the hat just to wipe the smug grins off their faces.

Sat here nodding vigorously. What's the betting that no-one in any media organisation takes the twat to task for his lies? And, yes, I do hope there's another high vis defection to UKIP from the Tories first thing tomorrow just to fuck their day up.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:20 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I am becoming totally gobsmacked at the sheer lies being peddaled at the Tory conference this year.

For Hunt to claim the Tories were for forming the NHS is such a bare faced lie that I wonder how he has the gall to stand on a stage and get his mouth round the words. Redwoods threats yesterday. What's next. Book burning?

And there are Tories out there that are perfectly happy to go along with the lies. How could they. How fucking could they!

Even Isabel Hardman described Hunt's speech as ''audacious'' where I come from we would use more basic language, I'd describe it as lies.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:22 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: Presumably if Churchill was so instrumental in the NHS he can also take credit for the Welfare State?
Churchill's opposition voted 21 times against the NHS Bill including second and third readings. Thats not just revisionism thats outright blatant falsehood. The media need to call him up on it.

Im starting to hope UKIP do pull another tory out of the hat just to wipe the smug grins off their faces.
Sat here nodding vigorously. What's the better that no-one in any media organisation takes the twat to task for his lies? And, yes, I do hope there's another high vis defection to UKIP from the Tories first thing tomorrow just to fuck their day up.

Can we also make the case that Churchill was a shit peace time PM, glossed over by history?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:29 pm

Heh.

Nick Linford
‏@NickLinford
. @NickyMorgan01 says: "My husband is a governor on three governing bodies...we should do more to make governors feel valued" #CPC14

and

ames Williams ‏@edujdw 32m32 minutes ago
@NickLinford @NickyMorgan01 ahem, Clarke report... "no one should be a governor at more than two schools" ring any bells?

Oops.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:32 pm

Breaking...

DJ Neil Fox held over 'sex assaults'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29431833

Radio DJ Neil Fox - known as "Dr Fox" - has been arrested in London by police investigating claims of historical sex offences.

The arrest came after separate allegations were made by two women, the BBC understands.

According to reports, he was arrested in Soho at the studios of Magic FM, where he presents the breakfast show.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Tue 30 Sep, 2014 5:57 pm

I missed Lord Ashcroft on LBC by about 10 minutes. More tellingly the subject matter after the interview is asking folk who should succeed Cameron...