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(((Dan Hodges)))
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Well if she ever loses the support of DFH......
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.
I think that events may already be overtaking this assessment.
Indeed. Turning a new page on it you might say :twisted:
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Paul Brand
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I never like to predict beyond the next 15 mins these days, but sounds like SO24 will be damp squib this afternoon. Everyone reluctant to amend it because Labour front bench won’t commit to any amendments. Could just be a talking shop in that case.
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Jon Craig
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Tory Brexiteer MP tells me “the plates are moving against her tonight” & claims “significant number” of Cabinet ministers going to see PM in morning to tell her to go. Also says she’ll be called to appear at ‘22 in evening & will be “mauled”. Claims “she won’t be PM by Monday”.
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PMQs - snap verdict - May's authority totally shot -
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.
I think that events may already be overtaking this assessment.
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Indeed. Turning a new page on it you might say :twisted:
Ha! Well, you might - but no-one did, though . . .
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:AndrewSparrow
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PMQs - snap verdict - May's authority totally shot -
I know such things have been claimed before, but something does seem to have shifted in the "zeitgeist". Pundits are now starting to say the previously "unsayable".
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I hope the patient survives this fever and lives a long healthy life
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citizenJA wrote:I hope the patient survives this fever and lives a long healthy life
"The operation was a complete success but sadly the patient died."
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There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Joe Watts
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There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed.
And she's invited all of the opposition leaders to meet at 6pm.
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Apparently Donald Tusk will make a statement at 4 pm our time.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Apparently Donald Tusk will make a statement at 4 pm our time.
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adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Joe Watts
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There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed.
And she's invited all of the opposition leaders to meet at 6pm.
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Corbyn has been invited, according to party sources but it remains unconfirmed whether the Labour leader is prepared to accept the invitation.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Joe Watts
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There are rumours the PM will give a speech outside Number 10 tonight. Unconfirmed.
And she's invited all of the opposition leaders to meet at 6pm.
Jessica Elgot
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Corbyn has been invited, according to party sources but it remains unconfirmed whether the Labour leader is prepared to accept the invitation.
He asked, earlier at PMQs, for a meeting, so why wouldn't he go? Or did he mean a one-on-one meeting?
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Senior EU diplomats expect Donald Tusk when he speaks in 20 minutes to say that the late delivery of Theresa May's letter makes it impossible to make a decision tomorrow at the summit. That the decision will have to made after the Commons has voted next week.
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3:44 PM - Mar 20, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Donald Tusk is making a statement in which he says that a short extension to A50 "is possible" (T & C apply).
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Tusk says EU will only give the UK a short article 50 extension if MPs pass the Brexit deal.
He says, if there is a positive vote in the Commons next week, the extension can be finalised using a written procedure.

But, if needed, he will call a summit next week.
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Seems like the only ways forward are revoke or change the political declaration.

IMHO
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Having the end of next week as a very hard deadline now creates a dilemma for Labour MPs. They are strongly opposed to May’s deal but, unlike some Tory Brexiters in the European Research Group, they are alarmed at what a no-deal Brexit might mean for their constituents. Given that at least 20 ERG Tories are certain to carry on voting against May’s deal (and it could be many more), May will only pass her deal with Labour help. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
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PorFavor wrote:
Having the end of next week as a very hard deadline now creates a dilemma for Labour MPs. They are strongly opposed to May’s deal but, unlike some Tory Brexiters in the European Research Group, they are alarmed at what a no-deal Brexit might mean for their constituents. Given that at least 20 ERG Tories are certain to carry on voting against May’s deal (and it could be many more), May will only pass her deal with Labour help. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Easily solved IMHO. There's the Bercow ruling. So they can make their support conditional on a change. Before even voting on the MV
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You don't think the "by popular demand" thing will swing into action? (I don't know what the threshold for that is.)
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PorFavor wrote:You don't think the "by popular demand" thing will swing into action? (I don't know what the threshold for that is.)
I don't have a clue of course. But it's striking that Peston et al have interpreted Tusk as meaning May's deal vs No Deal when May's deal can't currently be voted on.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:You don't think the "by popular demand" thing will swing into action? (I don't know what the threshold for that is.)
I don't have a clue of course. But it's striking that Peston et al have interpreted Tusk as meaning May's deal vs No Deal when May's deal can't currently be voted on.
There's time enough to revoke Article 50
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And, of course, the USA vultures are circling - which is a cause for grave concern.
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Anyone hear Grieve in the House?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Anyone hear Grieve in the House?
No - he's getting rave reviews, though, isn't he?
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PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Anyone hear Grieve in the House?
No - he's getting rave reviews, though, isn't he?
Not from May!
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He has never been more ashamed to be a Tory or to be asked to vote for a Tory policy.

Ouch!
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:He has never been more ashamed to be a Tory or to be asked to vote for a Tory policy.

Ouch!
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France, Spain and Belgium are ready to veto a Brexit extension, the Press Association understands. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Any chance May is about to announce a Referendum?
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Well, a General Election (please take note Jeremy Corbyn) would certainly pose as many questions as it would provide answers so, although I haven't been advocating a referendum, it does now seem to be the only thing that would fit the bill. Would Theresa May be that graceful (for want of a better word), though?

Edited to add - depending on the question\s and the rules surrounding it, of course. That is to say - don't repeat the last debacle!
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PorFavor wrote:Well, a General Election (please take note Jeremy Corbyn) would certainly pose as many questions as it would provide answers so, although I haven't been advocating a referendum, it does now seem to be the only thing that would fit the bill. Would Theresa May be that graceful (for want of a better word), though?

Edited to add - depending on the question\s and the rules surrounding it, of course. That is to say - don't repeat the last debacle!
I'm not sure about graceful.

More one last, desperate gamble. Her Brexit Deal vs Remain. She might win.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Well, a General Election (please take note Jeremy Corbyn) would certainly pose as many questions as it would provide answers so, although I haven't been advocating a referendum, it does now seem to be the only thing that would fit the bill. Would Theresa May be that graceful (for want of a better word), though?

Edited to add - depending on the question\s and the rules surrounding it, of course. That is to say - don't repeat the last debacle!
I'm not sure about graceful.

More one last, desperate gamble. Her Brexit Deal vs Remain. She might win.

There is that. But it would be amusing to witness how the "will of the people ERGers" dealt with it!
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Any chance May is about to announce a Referendum?
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The edit in my last post was to correct a typo. I'd hate to think of you all lying awake wondering.
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@PaulfromYorkshire

Yes - "graceful" and Theresa May are really mutually exclusive.
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PorFavor wrote:The edit in my last post was to correct a typo. I'd hate to think of you all lying awake wondering.
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Jeremy Corbyn is expected to make a TV appearance in a about an hour, and Theresa May is due to make a statement - possibly in the Commons - at 8pm. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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"About an hour" (above post) would indicate at 7.15pm onwards-ish. Without a time, my post is as useful as a random "back in ten minutes"!
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:---
More one last, desperate gamble. Her Brexit Deal vs Remain. She might win.
(cJA edit)
I think if May and her Tory government wangled remaining, people would be grateful enough not to demand an immediate GE. I could likely just be projecting because of how intensely I feel about Brexit. I think it's disastrous. I'd breathe a sigh of relief if it got stopped. I'd not vote Tory but I'd feel a great burden relieved. We'd still have failed Tory policies and austerity.
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NEW: Understand Jeremy Corbyn refused to join meeting with opposition leaders because Chuka Umunna was there. “He’s not a proper party leader”. Corbyn walked out.
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A Labour spokesperson just said about the incident:
"It was not the meeting that had been agreed and the terms were broken. Downing Street is in such chaos that they were unable to manage their own proposed meeting. We are in discussions with No 10 about holding the bilateral meeting with the PM that Jeremy proposed at PMQs."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... eadf78129c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Paul Brand
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NEW: Understand Jeremy Corbyn refused to join meeting with opposition leaders because Chuka Umunna was there. “He’s not a proper party leader”. Corbyn walked out.
He could have made his point but remained in the meeting. Totally counter-productive action in all contexts.


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citizenJA wrote:
A Labour spokesperson just said about the incident:
"It was not the meeting that had been agreed and the terms were broken. Downing Street is in such chaos that they were unable to manage their own proposed meeting. We are in discussions with No 10 about holding the bilateral meeting with the PM that Jeremy proposed at PMQs."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... eadf78129c" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Corbyn may have asked for a bilateral meeting, but the one he was invited to at 6pm was never billed as bilateral, to my knowledge. Besides, it's clear a fully cross party effort is going to be needed to resolve the impasse so it's not a good look to refuse to talk with others. Anyway, Vince Cable appears to be the source of the suggestion it was the presence of TIG that caused Corbyn to walk:


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Vince Cable states that Corbyn walked out of meeting with May because the independent group were present
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Theresa May on at 8.15pm.

Lots of very loud fireworks (the heavy artillery type) going off outside here. Don't know why.
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