FlyTheNest

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 7:04 am**

Morning all.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 7:55 am**

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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 7:58 am**

To counter the widespread almost universal nonsense about the charging regime.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 8:01 am**

Finland the only country that spends more on independent living than institutionalism.(working age)

To put the purposefully deceptive oft repeated "we spend fifty billions on'"

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 8:03 am**

We are creating more.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 8:03 am**

@tinybgoat

Interesting article you posted last night about a no deal Brexit not being legal. I'm sure if we did leave with no deal there would be legal challenges. That particular article doesn't seem to reference the Withdrawal Act that has already been passed to transfer EU law into UK law, though. I'm not sure how easy it would be to argue parliament hasn't agreed to leave when parliament has passed the legislation that was required to do so and that legislation is set to come into effect on the 29th March. That does sort of indicate an active decision by parliament to leave, with or without a deal, on the 29th. The failure of the Tory rebels to sufficiently amend the Withdrawal Act to provide parliament real powers to direct the government if its deal failed to pass is why we are where we are. Of course it's possible MPs could argue they didn't understand the significance of the various acts they have passed, in which case there could be all sorts of fallout over legal guidance provided by the government at various stages and whether it was adequate. Certainly some MPs seem very ill-prepared for the consequences of failing to endorse May's deal when first presented in January, though May's actions subsequently have also been questionable as waiting to present the deal a second time when there was already insufficient time to ratify it is pretty dubious in itself.

Certainly, if we do leave without a deal, the question of whether we should or could leave that way will be far from settled, I think. Although mostly symbolic, the vote against no deal can't be ignored, given the fact that revocation is within the PMs gift so it's possible for her to unilaterally follow parliament's instructions to not leave without a deal.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:03 am**

@willow
It's definitely all above my head,
but someone's asked Jolyon Maughum, his view on the article, his response was
"I think it's cobblers, I'm afraid."
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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:06 am**

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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:08 am**

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:08 am**

Google it

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:16 am**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Google it

"New Alresford has independent shops, a tourist information centre, a central conservation area , four tea rooms, five pubs and is a terminus as with Alton of the Watercress Line , a steam-worked heritage railway at Alresford railway station . Of its population, 25.9% are aged 65 or over, and the mean age is higher than the national average, at 45.4 years."?

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:30 am**

https://news.sky.com/story/learning-dis ... l-11668053" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:30 am**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Google it

"The headlines missed the real Bercow story. He’s de facto implementing last week’s Benn amendment: the Commons now has the lead in deciding what get’s voted on for Brexit"

labour-uncut.co.uk/2019/03/19/the-headlines-missed-the-big-bercow-intervention-hes-implementing-last-weeks-benn-amendment-the-commons-now-has-the-lead-in-deciding-what-gets-voted-on-for-brexit/

It doesn't seem to be universally popular.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:33 am**

"Seven young outcasts in Derry, Maine, are about to face their worst nightmare -- an ancient, shape-shifting evil that emerges from the sewer every 27 years to prey on the town's children. Banding together over the course of one horrifying summer, the friends must overcome their own personal fears to battle the murderous, bloodthirsty clown known as Pennywise."

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:42 am**

The government appear to be rushing to embrace leaving without a withdrawal agreement again.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:42 am**

https://dpac.uk.net/2019/03/biopsychoso ... tack-pwme/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:47 am**

tinybgoat wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Google it
"New Alresford has independent shops, a tourist information centre, a central conservation area , four tea rooms, five pubs and is a terminus as with Alton of the Watercress Line , a steam-worked heritage railway at Alresford railway station . Of its population, 25.9% are aged 65 or over, and the mean age is higher than the national average, at 45.4 years."?

It's nice and pretty if insufferably posh. What's the deal?

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 9:56 am**

An MP may apply to the Speaker for an emergency debate on Mondays to Thursdays during sitting time under the rules of Standing Order No. 24.

If the Speaker has given the MP leave they will have three minutes to make a speech after question time and any urgent questions or ministerial statements. The Speaker then decides whether to submit the application to the House.

The House will have to agree that the debate takes place. If the House agrees to the application the emergency debate will take place on a future day, usually the next sitting day. The motion to be debated will be "That the House has considered the matter of [Topic]".

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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 10:09 am**

Tony Connelly
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Senior EU official: President Tusk is drafting his letter [to EU leaders]. There will be some interesting developments on Brexit.

9:41 AM - 20 Mar 2019

Interesting in a good way? Please.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 10:15 am**

gilsey wrote:Tony Connelly
@tconnellyRTE
Senior EU official: President Tusk is drafting his letter [to EU leaders]. There will be some interesting developments on Brexit.
9:41 AM - 20 Mar 2019
Interesting in a good way? Please.

The option is a long enough delay to allow the UK to negotiate a closer relationship and, if we feel it necessary, hold a referendum on the question (or possibly hold a referendum on the current deal) or to just give up now? And that a long delay means political and financial commitments due from us and participation in EU parliament elections?

We're back to the core issue of negotiations in a way, of the EU being a rule and law bound organisation - the issue with the elections isn't political expediency or finding a way, it's that the EU would face legal issues if it denied citizens representation on the same terms as other citizens, which is what would happen if we were still in after the next elections.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 10:31 am**

Sunder Katwala
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*If* EU27 said
- to avoid additional uncertainty/protect institutions, we are only now offering a long delay (9-12 months)
- but this long delay can end early (May 22nd/June 29th 2019) as long you pass the WA vote by April 11th
what on earth could the UK government do?

What could they do? Find a way to turn it into a disaster, on previous form.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 10:41 am**

Good-morning, everyone

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 10:58 am**

Labour MP to demand emergency debate on Brexit, with Bercow hinting motion could be more robust than usual

The Labour MP Alison McGovern is requesting an emergency debate on Brexit, under standing order 24 (S024), the Press Association is reporting.

Under the SO24 procedure, John Bercow, the speaker, has to decide whether he will hear a request for an emergency debate. The MP calling for one makes a very short speech in the chamber making the case for a debate and then the speaker either accept or refuses, subject to MPs agreeing. If he does agree, the debate would take place this afternoon, or tomorrow. (Politics Live Guardian - my emphasis)

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:05 am**

MonoMaynia.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:09 am**

Good morfternoon.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:31 am**

In the lobby of an establishment I visited yesterday, a television was tuned in to BBC news. Coverage of Cyclone Idai devastating south-eastern Africa was meaningful and moving without melodrama or conceit. New about Brexit and other UK political information was confused and unreliable gossip.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:41 am**

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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:43 am**

tinybgoat wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Google it
"The headlines missed the real Bercow story. He’s de facto implementing last week’s Benn amendment: the Commons now has the lead in deciding what get’s voted on for Brexit"

labour-uncut.co.uk/2019/03/19/the-headlines-missed-the-big-bercow-intervention-hes-implementing-last-weeks-benn-amendment-the-commons-now-has-the-lead-in-deciding-what-gets-voted-on-for-brexit/

It doesn't seem to be universally popular.

Labour Uncut is still a thing?!?

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:43 am**

PorFavor wrote:MonoMaynia.

Current government isn't working out, I know that. As tempting as it may seem, turning them off now is ill-advised. It'll black-out the nation too. Please take your hand off the power button.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:45 am**

adam wrote:The government appear to be rushing to embrace leaving without a withdrawal agreement again.

I'm increasingly thinking they can say what they like, actual power is draining away from them now.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:45 am**

News, not New
Correcting up yonder

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:46 am**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
adam wrote:The government appear to be rushing to embrace leaving without a withdrawal agreement again.
I'm increasingly thinking they can say what they like, actual power is draining away from them now.

Cornered beasts are dangerous

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 11:55 am**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
adam wrote:The government appear to be rushing to embrace leaving without a withdrawal agreement again.
I'm increasingly thinking they can say what they like, actual power is draining away from them now.

Brexit: May bends to pressure from Tory Brexiters and rules out long article 50 extension request

I understand better what you mean

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:02 pm**

Remarkable from Stella Creasy

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Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:12 pm**

The government will hold another meaningful vote, she says.

There is a kind of logic in this - she won't be able to hold another meaningful vote unless she can get the commons to vote for the right for her to have the vote, and if they're going to do that it would suggest - not show but suggest - that she could have the votes to win it. Except of course from what's been happening she didn't appear to have anything like the votes to win it, and some at least of her supporters are likely to be looking at the precedents the government are choosing to set and wondering how an opposition government would make use of them.

But she can't be thinking about getting her MV back by attaching a referendum on the question to it, because three months wouldn't be enough time to do that. So that's quite interesting. Her only plan seems to be 'my deal or no deal'.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:15 pm**

Same as all along, though. The point is, such a "strategy" has worked after a fashion as long as it didn't have to come into contact with actual reality.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:27 pm**

The letter is now available for perusal over at Politics Live, Guardian.

Edited to add - timed at 12.21

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:36 pm**

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Remarkable from Stella Creasy

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Did anything she say manage getting through to him?

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:39 pm**

Hey, PMQs

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:51 pm**

PorFavor wrote:The letter is now available for perusal over at Politics Live, Guardian.

Edited to add - timed at 12.21

The letter accurately reflects the fact that if May is able to get her deal passed in the next couple of weeks, the extension to the end of June is needed to ratify it. Given how far she is from approval, it's sadly lacking in any detail of what happens if it doesn't pass. Not taking part in EU elections leaves us without a plan b. Even more frustratingly, Labour seem supportive of this strategy of boxing ourselves in. I'm concerned they are more worried about the optics of taking part in EU elections than they are in optimizing opportunities for a good outcome. Certainly, they seem to have dropped any pretence of supporting any kind of referendum, which would require pursuing a lengthy extension at this point in proceedings:

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Paul Brand
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NEW: Shadow Chancellor @johnmcdonnellMP tells me Labour also want 3 month delay to Brexit but to negotiate a different deal rather than ‘run down the clock’ like PM. @RichardBurgon told me last week Labour would seek delay til end of June. So Labour and Tories want same timespan.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:55 pm**

News coming out of Brussells (Sky TV News) that the initial reaction is that 30th June is a non-flyer (EU elections and all).

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:56 pm**

Not that it's going to matter. It seems the end of June option preferred by both the government and opposition will be rejected by the EU anyway. From the G:

In a note on the Brexit process reviewed by the commission at its weekly meeting on Wednesday, officials wrote that leaders meeting May at a summit on Thursday faced a “binary” choice of a short delay of Brexit from March 29 to before May 23 or a long delay to at least the end of this year, with Britain obliged to hold an election on May 23 for European parliament lawmakers.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 12:57 pm**

Snap.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:08 pm**

Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:20 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.

Yes, I agree. Labour supporting a short extension leaves us with very little wriggle room for anything other than May's deal or no deal, which is exactly what the government wants in order to strongarm its deal through and exactly what the rest of parliament have made quite clear they don't want. What are they doing?

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:27 pm**

Willow904 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.
Yes, I agree. Labour supporting a short extension leaves us with very little wriggle room for anything other than May's deal or no deal, which is exactly what the government wants in order to strongarm its deal through and exactly what the rest of parliament have made quite clear they don't want. What are they doing?

Yes - Jeremy Corbyn's action no longer merits any "benefit of the doubt because it's tactical". We've run out of road for any of that latitude to be even entertained by even the most optimistic (or prone to suspension of disbelief) among us.

He's living in a time warp.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:34 pm**

I'm sympathetic to the reluctance to support a further referendum. I'm neither against it or especially for it myself. If Labour truly want to renegotiate the WA, though, they need that longer extension just as much as the people's vote lot do. They will need to win a no confidence vote, win a GE, renegotiate the WA and ratify it.

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:37 pm**

In better news, everyone is interpreting May's comments at PMQs as meaning she will resign if she has to give in to a long extension.

Paul Waugh
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7 minutes ago

BREAKING I just asked PM's spokesman to confirm clearly that her #Pmqs remarks mean she would quit if Brexit was delayed beyond June 30.
His reply: "You should infer from those words the strength of the prime minister's resolve".

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:40 pm**

Steven Swinford
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This will go down as one of the most memorable #PMQs for a long time

The Prime Minister has effectively staked her Premiership on a short Brexit extension

If either Parliament or the EU force a longer delay, implication is she will go

Posted: **Wed 20 Mar, 2019 1:44 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Sorry, AnatolyKasparov. I think I've had enough of Jeremy Corbyn's contortions.

I think that events may already be overtaking this assessment.

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