Thursday 28th March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 7:08 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:06 am

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I'm not sure how accurate the breakdowns in this tweet are, but it looks like almost half of Labour abstained on the revocation to avoid no deal, and some even voted against. I just can't fathom that. It doesn't prevent anything else happening, it just stops no deal. Why would anyone in Labour not support that?

Anyway, it's pretty obvious the Tories didn't engage in a proper spirit of compromise. We need to get the last vote (or no vote, depending on Bercow) on May's deal out of the way before we find out if any of them are willing to put the country first and find a way to not crash out on 12th April.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:08 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng- ... tive-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:10 am

They wouldn't be in the Tory party if they put the Country first.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:12 am

Some may say,I can't possibly comment.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:14 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... es-england" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Justice gap: the towns where there’s no access to free legal advice

Country first.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:24 am

Some more charts:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng- ... tive-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How did your MP vote in the indicative votes?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 8:32 am

Willow904 wrote:Some more charts:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/ng- ... tive-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How did your MP vote in the indicative votes?

Good work that chart!

My MP voted as I expected and would have hoped

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:22 am

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entr ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:22 am

My MP voted as expected.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:24 am

Morning all.

The video in here is well worth a look...

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:48 am

Willow904 wrote:

I'm not sure how accurate the breakdowns in this tweet are, but it looks like almost half of Labour abstained on the revocation to avoid no deal, and some even voted against. I just can't fathom that. It doesn't prevent anything else happening, it just stops no deal. Why would anyone in Labour not support that?

Anyway, it's pretty obvious the Tories didn't engage in a proper spirit of compromise. We need to get the last vote (or no vote, depending on Bercow) on May's deal out of the way before we find out if any of them are willing to put the country first and find a way to not crash out on 12th April.

Cherry was seen mouthing 'bloody Labour' as the result was announced. Despite the petition, many MPs are still terrified of mentioning revoke.

I assume that attaching a referendum to May's deal would satisfy Bercow, but could it happen?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:50 am

HindleA wrote:They wouldn't be in the Tory party if they put the Country first.

100 of them voted against the SI implementing the date change.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 9:54 am

HindleA wrote:My MP voted as expected.

So did mine, with the ERG headbangers.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:05 am

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Trusting to deadline pressure to build consensus for a way forward was a foolish gamble that has cost the government its control of Parliament, cost Parliament the trust of the public and finally looks to have cost the PM her job. Probably best not to try it again.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:28 am

Good morfternoon.

This is hilarious\depressing - depending on your mood.

Pro-Brexit group Britain Bites Back left red-faced after second referendum poll backfires
(Standard)

I was told about this yesterday, but have only just found a link to it (courtesy of Politics Live, Guardian poster mavric1).

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/prob ... 02556.html

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:32 am

This is very pretty.
https://alexandreafonso.me/2019/03/28/m ... f-commons/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:38 am

gilsey wrote:This is very pretty.
https://alexandreafonso.me/2019/03/28/m ... f-commons/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, it's rather aesthetically pleasing.

Post by **adam** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:41 am

PorFavor wrote:
gilsey wrote:This is very pretty.
https://alexandreafonso.me/2019/03/28/m ... f-commons/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, it's rather aesthetically pleasing.

Is it just me, or are Scotland going to be furious to be made no-deal central?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 10:49 am

adam wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
gilsey wrote:This is very pretty.
https://alexandreafonso.me/2019/03/28/m ... f-commons/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes, it's rather aesthetically pleasing.
Is it just me, or are Scotland going to be furious to be made no-deal central?

It's not meant to be a map is it?

Sorry passing quickly and probably missing the point

Post by **adam** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 11:25 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's not meant to be a map is it?Sorry passing quickly and probably missing the point

Just occurred it looked quite a bit like GB. Perhaps it's a prophecy - NI will be even more furious than Scotland.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 11:34 am

gilsey wrote:
Willow904 wrote:

I'm not sure how accurate the breakdowns in this tweet are, but it looks like almost half of Labour abstained on the revocation to avoid no deal, and some even voted against. I just can't fathom that. It doesn't prevent anything else happening, it just stops no deal. Why would anyone in Labour not support that?

Anyway, it's pretty obvious the Tories didn't engage in a proper spirit of compromise. We need to get the last vote (or no vote, depending on Bercow) on May's deal out of the way before we find out if any of them are willing to put the country first and find a way to not crash out on 12th April.
Cherry was seen mouthing 'bloody Labour' as the result was announced. Despite the petition, many MPs are still terrified of mentioning revoke.

I assume that attaching a referendum to May's deal would satisfy Bercow, but could it happen?

I imagine that would do the trick but I think it more likely the future declaration would be taken off, leaving just the WA, which is the only bit the EU needs agreed in order to ratify, if the bill is to be changed.

If May is able to get the numbers, though, it seems just as likely she would put a motion to disregard the rule in this specific case, which I would rather hope would pass, even if her deal subsequently doesn't, purely because we need to get it passed now to secure the May 22nd extension or get it off the table once and for all to have any chance of moving Tory MPs on to considering alternatives before the April 12th deadline.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 11:37 am

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's not meant to be a map is it?Sorry passing quickly and probably missing the point
Just occurred it looked quite a bit like GB. Perhaps it's a prophecy - NI will be even more furious than Scotland.

Don't be daft. It looks like a duck. Quacks like one too, more than likely.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 11:42 am

Number 10 now seems to be rowing back on May's previous claim that she would "never" accept a longer A50 extension.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:05 pm

Meaningful Vote 3 will take place tomorrow, according to Andrea Leadsom's statement in the Commons.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:09 pm

No clues on how they intend to get another vote on the deal past Bercow?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:09 pm

Or is it Meaningful Vote 3?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:18 pm

He might be prepared to let it happen if it appears certain it will be lost......

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:20 pm

http://www.transformjustice.org.uk/pros ... the-price/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prosecuting parents for truancy – who pays the price?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:36 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... es-service" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 12:43 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... t-100-days" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"They do all the unpaid care"

Right on,sister.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 1:14 pm

Government confirms tomorrow's vote ended to ensure UK can still delay Brexit until 22 May

A spokesperson for Andrea Leadsom has confirmed that the motion being debated tomorrow will be designed to ensure that the UK can still get an article 50 extension until 22 May, in line with the conditions set by the EU at last week’s summit. The spokesperson said:

Tomorrow’s motion will need to be compliant with both the Speaker’s ruling and the EU council’s decision on conditionality relating to exit on 22 May. Discussions are ongoing and we will look to table the motion as soon as possible today, in order to avoid asking for another extension and the requirement to undertake European parliament elections.(Politics Live, Guardian)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 1:19 pm

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's not meant to be a map is it?Sorry passing quickly and probably missing the point
Just occurred it looked quite a bit like GB. Perhaps it's a prophecy - NI will be even more furious than Scotland.

Thanks

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 1:37 pm

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -to-201718" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 1:40 pm

https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/we-cannot- ... ur-country" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"JRF has consistently supported the principles of Universal Credit"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 1:47 pm

Seriously,not sure what they expected to happen,the whole basis is fundamentally flawed,bulit on falsity(ies)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:18 pm

PorFavor wrote:

Government confirms tomorrow's vote ended to ensure UK can still delay Brexit until 22 May

A spokesperson for Andrea Leadsom has confirmed that the motion being debated tomorrow will be designed to ensure that the UK can still get an article 50 extension until 22 May, in line with the conditions set by the EU at last week’s summit. The spokesperson said:

Tomorrow’s motion will need to be compliant with both the Speaker’s ruling and the EU council’s decision on conditionality relating to exit on 22 May. Discussions are ongoing and we will look to table the motion as soon as possible today, in order to avoid asking for another extension and the requirement to undertake European parliament elections.(Politics Live, Guardian)

Which is......clear as mud?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:30 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:

Government confirms tomorrow's vote ended to ensure UK can still delay Brexit until 22 May

A spokesperson for Andrea Leadsom has confirmed that the motion being debated tomorrow will be designed to ensure that the UK can still get an article 50 extension until 22 May, in line with the conditions set by the EU at last week’s summit. The spokesperson said:

Tomorrow’s motion will need to be compliant with both the Speaker’s ruling and the EU council’s decision on conditionality relating to exit on 22 May. Discussions are ongoing and we will look to table the motion as soon as possible today, in order to avoid asking for another extension and the requirement to undertake European parliament elections.(Politics Live, Guardian)
Which is......clear as mud?

I wouldn't say that it was as clear as that . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:43 pm

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/supportin ... e-to-work/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/su ... e-to-work/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NAO Supporting disabled people to work

I am sure the Minister will read with interest..oh there isn't one.

Brexit the perfect excuse to
1.Do fuck all
2.Hide what you are doing otherwise.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:46 pm

To be fair there wasn't a shadow for a time

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:49 pm

HindleA wrote:---
Brexit the perfect excuse to
1.Do fuck all
2.Hide what you are doing otherwise.

(cJA edit)
Exactly.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:49 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 2:51 pm

https://www.shapingourlives.org.uk/reso ... -2019#lied" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 3:18 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... es-england
Justice gap: the towns where there’s no access to free legal advice

Country first.

The Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act (Laspo) slashed the legal aid budget in England and Wales by a third in April 2013.
In Wales, there were 31 providers of publicly funded benefits advice: now there are three. The number of firms providing legal aid has fallen by 29%...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 3:18 pm

There's been a catastrophic impact on lives stemming from nearly a decade of legislative changes from Tory government

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 3:21 pm

Without access to justice, none of have any

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 3:29 pm

'Release the Bercow' is almost as exhilarating as 'Summon the Dragon'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 4:24 pm

http://www.cpag.org.uk/content/new-face-child-poverty" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 4:53 pm

Odd that this story was on the Today news at 8am but seemed to have vanished until now.

Probation services: Part-privatised system 'flawed'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47728948

In her final annual report, Dame Glenys Stacey said people would be "safer" if supervision of offenders in England and Wales was back in public ownership.

Probation services were part-privatised in 2014, allowing firms to monitor low and medium-risk offenders.

Justice Minister Rory Stewart accepted "the current model is not working".

Dame Glenys said eight out of the 10 firms inspected since January last year were rated "inadequate", while public services were performing better.

Typical rubbish public sector...oh...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 28 Mar, 2019 5:24 pm

Well.

MPs will be asked to vote again on Brexit on Friday but only on part of the deal negotiated with the EU, MPs have been told.

They will vote on the withdrawal agreement negotiated with the EU - covering the divorce bill, citizens' rights and the Irish "backstop.

But the political declaration covering the UK's future relationship with the EU will not be put to the vote.

If MPs back it, the government says the UK will leave the EU on 22 May.

Commons Speaker John Bercow said it was a "new" motion and complied with his ruling that he would not allow a third "meaningful vote" on "substantially the same" motion as MPs had already rejected by historic margins twice.

So that could pave the way for a Customs Union arrangement vote but clearly not a second referendum.

Somehow doubt the DUP and the ultras in the Tory party will go for it.

PTO!