Friday 29th March 2019

Post by **refitman** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 7:04 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 7:22 am

Happy Brexit Day

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 7:33 am

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/t ... cut-costs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory council set to force disabled people into residential care

A plethora of targeted policies,of.course,have systematically undermined independent living,reinstitutionalism is already happening

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:14 am

Laura Kuenssberg
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1m
Rather helpfully for PM, Michel Barnier says (h/t @adamfleming) if MPs don't pass deal today UK is staring at no deal, or long delay and the EU will decide the conditions

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:33 am

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"We are looking at what more can be done to help the most vulnerable and improve their life chances"

Stop the systematic creation and exacerbation of needless vulnerability,it ain't a mystery.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:47 am

Spinning aerobic fun says Theresa May has fallen on her sword and missed

(5,5).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:48 am

We are all vulnerable this "most vulnerable" patronising nonsense really is vomit inducing.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:49 am

Morning all.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:13 am

Good morfternoon.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:14 am

Limit pupils’ lunch portions to save money, say Agnew’s cost-cutting advisers

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/limit-pupils- ... -advisers/

Lord Agnew’s cost-cutting consultants told a school to replace experienced teachers with support staff on term-time contracts, while another was urged to limit lunch portions for pupils.

Secret reports seen by Schools Week reveal other tips from the “school resource management advisers” include saving money on supply teachers by instead using spare staff to cover three classes at a time in the dining hall.

The same school, Corfe Hills, a secondary in Dorset, was also urged to keep 50 per cent of money raised for local charities – including a children’s hospice.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:38 am

John Bercow, the Speaker, says he is not selecting any of the three amendments down. (See 9.24am.)
(Politics Live, Guardian)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:59 am

Vote at 2 30

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:03 am

Willow904 wrote:
Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
·
1m
Rather helpfully for PM, Michel Barnier says (h/t @adamfleming) if MPs don't pass deal today UK is staring at no deal, or long delay and the EU will decide the conditions

The EU will be deciding the conditions whatever happens here today, surely we've learnt that lesson if nothing else.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:09 am

Government will legislate to ensure MPs can set negotiating mandate for next phase of Brexit, Cox says

Snell asks Cox for an assurance that the EU withdrawal agreement bill will contain the legislative proposals in the amendment.

Cox says the bill has not been published yet, but if Snell bring backs his plans as an amendment to that bill, the government will be “minded to accept”. (Politics Live, Guardian)

And we should believe this?

Post by **adam** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:25 am

With almost no exceptions, the other opposition parties refused to vote for any proposals in the indicative votes except revoke or new referendum. This is wonderfully ideologically pure, but is a lot like the leave campaign and the UK government refusing to accept the reality of what is actually on offer from the EU in the longer term. It might be argued that this was just a holding measure for the first round of indicative votes and they will actually engaged in trying to find consensus on Monday, but if they don't, and they allow a demand for nothing but a further vote or revocation to come into it, then we're going to leave on the government's deal or with no withdrawal agreement, and we're then going to find ourselves with a new further-right PM taking us into a basic FTA and a permanent NI backstop. I'm not sure there will be another chance for this after Monday.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:28 am

DUP have confirmed that they will be voting against (Sky News).

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:31 am

adam wrote:It might be argued that this was just a holding measure for the first round of indicative votes an they will actually engaged in trying to find consensus on Monday,

Let's hope so.
PV supporters ignoring the need to have something else on the ballot against remain.

Leave might win.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:44 am

Sham dystonic monks shakily responding to Geoffrey Cox (4, 6-7).

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:47 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sham dystonic monks shakily responding to Geoffrey Cox (4, 6-7).

Nice one. Never heard of him before.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:52 am

We don't deserve these good people in Europe, do we.
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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:56 am

Change UK

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:57 am

Google it

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:58 am

Following Roger's post last night :

'Not sure whether they'll bleep it out on iplayer but this was great...

Quote:
Trevor Durham #FBPE

@TheTrevorDurham
50m50 minutes ago
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Nick Watt on Newsnight
“I asked a cabinet minister today why is the Prime Minister holding a vote when it’s pretty certain she’s going to lose? They said:
“Fuck knows. I’m past caring. It’s like the living dead in here”.

...and then you get Emily Matlis' despairing "Oh God!" at the end of that sentence.'

film clip here : " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the minister expanded...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:58 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sham dystonic monks shakily responding to Geoffrey Cox (4, 6-7).

Learnt a new word - dystonic.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 10:59 am

Oddly, Neil hailed as leader of new party (5,5).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:14 am

Jon Stone
‏@joncstone
7 minutes ago

Is 'Change UK’ supposed to be CHUK for Chuka Umunna like 'En Marche' is supposed to recall Emmanuel Macron?

@joncstone
1 minute ago

Either way I suspect CHUKers to refer to party members will probably end up being a thing

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:17 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Change UK

Oh!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:23 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Google it

I did - and got instructions on how to change ukele strings. Constance was very interested.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:28 am

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:37 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jon Stone
‏@joncstone
7 minutes ago

Is 'Change UK’ supposed to be CHUK for Chuka Umunna like 'En Marche' is supposed to recall Emmanuel Macron?

@joncstone
1 minute ago

Either way I suspect CHUKers to refer to party members will probably end up being a thing

Though its now being reported that the actual "leader" will be Heidi Allen.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:43 am

Constance has guts.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:45 am

Interesting that most commentators are now taking seriously the Letwin thing - rather than treating it as some sort of joke.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 11:52 am

But the Labour MP Gareth Snell has told the BBC that he is “minded” to vote for the government today, presumably in part because of Geoffrey Cox accepting his amendment. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Is Gareth Snell engaging in sardonic humour (and will vote against) - or is he really that daft?

Edited - tidy up

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: Though its now being reported that the actual "leader" will be Heidi Allen.

PfY already said that, in his inimitable fashion.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:04 pm

The point is, any "promises" from May are even more worthless than usual given her now stated intention to stand down soon.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:35 pm

Toby Young was whining about not having left and then this happened...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:39 pm

Farage of course said much the same thing in public.

It seems most leave campaigners genuinely thought they had narrowly lost when the polls closed, I have always been intrigued as to why that was.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 12:51 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Farage of course said much the same thing in public.

It seems most leave campaigners genuinely thought they had narrowly lost when the polls closed, I have always been intrigued as to why that was.

Well, there is this theory....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nigel Farage denies shorting value of sterling on night of Brexit vote
When Leave frontman ‘conceded’ defeat on TV, he was privy to data that showed the opposite, paving the way for a collapse in sterling, report says

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 1:15 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Farage of course said much the same thing in public.

It seems most leave campaigners genuinely thought they had narrowly lost when the polls closed, I have always been intrigued as to why that was.

Those bigger-named leave campaigners knew full well getting the UK out of the EU will take decades and it'll be awful for most people.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:13 pm

Squirrel alert just now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:15 pm

Yes - I've been getting squirrels, too.

Post by **adam** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:15 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Farage of course said much the same thing in public.

It seems most leave campaigners genuinely thought they had narrowly lost when the polls closed, I have always been intrigued as to why that was.
Well, there is this theory....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nigel Farage denies shorting value of sterling on night of Brexit vote
When Leave frontman ‘conceded’ defeat on TV, he was privy to data that showed the opposite, paving the way for a collapse in sterling, report says

Is he being investigated for this? I'm sure I read somewhere that the police/sfo/fca/or something were looking at it but can't find anything now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:19 pm

May tells MPs this is 'the last opportunity to guarantee Brexit' (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:26 pm

Voting now.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:44 pm

Voted down by 58.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 2:44 pm

Ayes 286
Noes 344

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:06 pm

Yvette Cooper voted for the deal?!?

Well all those #FBPEers who were singing her praises not so long ago might be given pause for thought there.

Or not.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:15 pm

Apologies, all...a belated good-afternoon, everyone

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:16 pm

edit - see the post below

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:19 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yvette Cooper voted for the deal?!?

Well all those #FBPEers who were singing her praises not so long ago might be given pause for thought there.

Or not.

Lab

Yvette Cooper

Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford

Against

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... -agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;