Friday 29th March 2019

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:25 pm

Rosie Cooper = FOR

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:29 pm

I can keep singing then

Post by **adam** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:31 pm

Does this mean we now have the ERG and the Provisional ERG?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 3:45 pm

Lost Soul wrote:I can keep singing then

Sing; never stop

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:04 pm

Dare I say it Labour looking remarkably unified. Good to see

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:13 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... nsupported" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More than 1m childless people over 65 are 'dangerously unsupported'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:13 pm

"lock 'em up"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:19 pm

Usual arse about face thinking and as ever burdensome.There is no connection or obvious consequence on the self fulfilling narrative

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:24 pm

"health behaviours"

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:32 pm

I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:33 pm

Yes, my mistake in forgetting there was another Cooper in the PLP. Though amusingly enough, Rosie is a former LibDem!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:36 pm

As previous are the people as burden propagandists willing to do the decent thing?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:37 pm

And to think that Raab was being given serious consideration as the next Tory leader...

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Dominic Raab resigned in protest against a deal he helped negotiate, said it was "worse than staying in the EU" and is now going to vote for it, all within 4 months, but remember the public has to stick to a decision they made 3yrs ago without knowing what the deal actually was.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:38 pm

PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.

It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)

And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)

Its time to think that we could actually do better

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:48 pm

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:52 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)

And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)

Its time to think that we could actually do better

But in this instance, a General Election is being floated as a solution to one specific problem - ie "Brexit".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:55 pm

Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:56 pm

And the result I suggested above could provide a solution, even if that was not to everybody's liking.

There are no guarantees of it, but what else now - continue in the present stalemate with the delusional madwoman in charge?

Even a lengthy extension to A50 (which probably should happen) doesn't solve anything in itself......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I still don't think that a General Election will solve anything - aside from getting rid of the Conservative Government. And there are no guarantees that that would happen.
It might not, but it could if Labour forms a fairly comfortable administration (which they may not even need an actual overall majority for)

And there is indeed no guarantee of that, but that holds true of the next GE whenever it is held (or indeed any other)

Its time to think that we could actually do better
But in this instance, a General Election is being floated as a solution to one specific problem - ie "Brexit".

yep, that's why the bulk of the Tory party voted the way they did.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:58 pm

In times of constipation an enema is the recommended course of action.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 4:59 pm

HindleA wrote:As previous are the people as burden propagandists willing to do the decent thing?

No. Why would they?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:01 pm

citizenJA wrote:Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.

Yes, but this was after May used every possible trick to maximise her vote. She can't play the resignation gambit again, or the "WA only" one.

As long as the DUP stick to their line (and that is the one thing they are genuinely good at) and Labour MPs hold firm, there is no path to a majority for her - most of the remaining 34 are the irreconcilables on both wings. And it is reported Tory whips thought they would only lose by about 20

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:06 pm

From AS...

This is what Chris Grayling, the Brexiter transport secretary, told the BBC about the result.

What the house has just done is to vote effectively to leave this country either leaving the EU on April 12 with no deal, reversing Brexit or kicking it into the far long grass.

I don’t think that’s what the majority in this country wants. We are going to have to think very hard over the next few hours how we respond to that. This is a hugely disappointing response that is absolutely not in the national interest.

Because of course the Government has never done that in this whole process has it?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:08 pm

HindleA wrote:In times of constipation an enema is the recommended course of action.

that's an appropriate revolution for these times for sure

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:10 pm

May actually delayed the vote when it was due before Christmas because she knew she would lose heavily.

Its been a crude attempt at blackmail all along - "my deal or no deal".

It deserves to fail.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:10 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Tories stuck together pretty well. Only 34 voted against and most of them peculiar. Ken Clarke voted for May's thing. Don't nobody look at him with hope; same true for the rest of his party.
Yes, but this was after May used every possible trick to maximise her vote. She can't play the resignation gambit again, or the "WA only" one.

As long as the DUP stick to their line (and that is the one thing they are genuinely good at) and Labour MPs hold firm, there is no path to a majority for her - most of the remaining 34 are the irreconcilables on both wings. And it is reported Tory whips thought they would only lose by about 20

We're all still trapped on board May's ship

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:17 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:May actually delayed the vote when it was due before Christmas because she knew she would lose heavily.

Its been a crude attempt at blackmail all along - "my deal or no deal".

It deserves to fail.

(cJA bold)
Yes, but it won't be easy. Look at what we're up against. May is a single-minded person. She lives to further a Tory future and she'll do whatever she can preventing a Labour government.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:18 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:From AS...

This is what Chris Grayling, the Brexiter transport secretary, told the BBC about the result.

What the house has just done is to vote effectively to leave this country either leaving the EU on April 12 with no deal, reversing Brexit or kicking it into the far long grass.

I don’t think that’s what the majority in this country wants. We are going to have to think very hard over the next few hours how we respond to that. This is a hugely disappointing response that is absolutely not in the national interest.
Because of course the Government has never done that in this whole process has it?

That's all this government have done during the whole process.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:19 pm

If there is,perhaps an opportunity to unblock the obsessive diversion and free discussion otherwise,(or not)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:26 pm

Please know I'm glad May's thing failed. May's Tory party is still leadership and their failures can cause regular people a world of hurt. I want people who've done nothing to deserve Tory failure fallout protected, that's all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:28 pm

Well this is interesting...

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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’

4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:29 pm

bastards

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:31 pm

Earlier, I heard an interview with Nigel Dodds in which I thought I understood him to be suggesting that staying in the EU could be the best way of preserving the Union. I thought about it, then assumed I must have misunderstood (I was half-asleep when he was speaking). However, I've just heard a commentator on the news reporting on it. This time I was fully awake.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:52 pm

PorFavor wrote:Earlier, I heard an interview with Nigel Dodds in which I thought I understood him to be suggesting that staying in the EU could be the best way of preserving the Union. I thought about it, then assumed I must have misunderstood (I was half-asleep when he was speaking). However, I've just heard a commentator on the news reporting on it. This time I was fully awake.

Has Dodds only lately been made aware of his party's Leave campaigning and Brexit's implications for the union he claims to love?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:54 pm

I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.

It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.

I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 5:58 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well this is interesting...

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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’

4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019

I remember reading somewhere that only some of the DUP are really hardcore Eurosceptic. They never expected to be kingmakers in a Brexit election when they adopted their hard Brexit stance. I suspect it would have always suited them to talk the Eurosceptic talk while regrettably being forced to accept a majority in favour of a soft Brexit. They might even be relieved to put it back to the public and end up remaining after all. I just can't see how a hard Brexit was ever going to work out for them in the long run. Whether there's a border in Ireland or the Irish Sea, it seems inevitable it will increase support for an eventual unified Ireland.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:03 pm

'K U

(Change UK)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:05 pm

@Willow904

Thanks!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:07 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.

It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.

I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.

"The whole of L***'s behaviour in the affair, and the prosperity which crowned it, therefore, may be held forth as a most encouraging instance of what an earnest, an unceasing attention to self-interest, however its progress may be apparently obstructed, will do in securing every advantage of fortune, with no other sacrifice than that of time and conscience."
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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:08 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I am rarely right but I have been with the DUP.

It's quite simple. They stand for the Union. They have essentially no other coherent policy. Foster has played a blinder. She got cash for the Union and now it's threatened she's against.

I would predict the DUP to do well in any forthcoming elections.

That's more or less what Nigel Dodds said (now that I know that I didn't dream it). Except the bit about the cash, of course.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:13 pm

I'm zonked,which isn't used nearly enough.A marathon bed session awaits.

Titter ye not.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:15 pm

In Westminster, where rival pro-Brexit rallies are taking place, the rhetoric is taking an aggressive and somewhat troubling turn, as my colleague Ben Quinn reports:

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Speaker - ‘a veteran’ - at the UKIP event now recalling execution of Charles I.
‘We are a peaceful movement but our weapon is the vote. You will vote for the executioner’s axe ‘
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5:42 PM - Mar 29, 2019 · Parliament Square (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:29 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well this is interesting...

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Nigel Dodds tells me the UK should stay in the EU if that was only way to preserve NI’s place in UK. ‘I would stay in the European Union and remain rather than risk Northern Ireland’s position. That’s how strongly I feel about the union.’

4:53 PM - 29 Mar 2019

Whoops! Sorry - told you I'd been lying down, half-asleep and cogitating!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 6:54 pm

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 7:28 pm

I do like Brian Moore...

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Post by **refitman** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:09 pm

Apologies for the language, but this is brilliant:

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:37 pm

Two local council byelections yesterday:

Sutton - LibDem hold in a ward where they have held all three seats in every election since 2002, though the Tories have often been competitive and the result last year was the safest LibDem victory in recent times. It was slightly closer now as they dropped around 8 points to under 40%, though the Tories were little changed on the last two polls - an ex-LibDem Independent candidate may be more responsible for the drop as they polled 14%, finishing ahead of Labour who were clearly down on their 2018 showing (but little changed on 4 years earlier) Greens on 6%, also down but ahead of UKIP who edged up slightly to around 4% - but they were still down on their 2014 third placed showing. Christian People's Alliance made one of their occasional electoral forays, but got less than 1%.

Clackmannanshire - SNP hold in a small division (in a notably small local authority) that split 1Lab/1Nat/1C in 2017 (after going 2Lab/1Nat in 2012 and 2007) with around 40% which was only slightly up on last time, but given an 8 point drop in Labour's first preference share since then it was enough to give them a win even after transfers. Tories up a few points to almost 20%, continuing their recent strong showing north of the border - whilst UKIP polled over 3% which is actually one of their better Scottish byelection performances and took them above the Greens who roughly halved on two years ago. LibDems had their first showing here since the introduction of STV, but less than 2% to show for it.

Just the one contest to begin April.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 8:43 pm

In other news...

Interesting timing...

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:01 pm

Cheers everyone.

Here's to still being an EU citizen on Brexit day.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 29 Mar, 2019 9:08 pm

I'm not looking forward to the possible "No Deal", though.

Edited to add -

PTO