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Monday 1st April 2019
Morning all.
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Number of primary school children at referral units soars
Data for England show number of under-11s at non-mainstream schools has doubled since 2011
Number of primary school children at referral units soars
Data for England show number of under-11s at non-mainstream schools has doubled since 2011
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Shared ownership households complain of housing segregation
Residents denied access to car parks, gyms and swimming pools amid outrage over playground bans
Shared ownership households complain of housing segregation
Residents denied access to car parks, gyms and swimming pools amid outrage over playground bans
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Council broke law over deprivation of liberty, ombudsman rules
Staffordshire council decided in 2016 not to assess all cases of restrictive supervision
Council broke law over deprivation of liberty, ombudsman rules
Staffordshire council decided in 2016 not to assess all cases of restrictive supervision
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"A council deliberately broke the law by failing to properly assess whether thousands of vulnerable people were illegitimately kept under continuous and restrictive supervision by care home staff, the local government and social care ombudsman has ruled"
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Disorganised zit slurs can't count votes (3,5).
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How long? Nearly 3 years already. Waiting for Godot.The indicative votes then are not the Brexit battle that is billed. The fundamental underlying questions are whether we first align our rules with the US or the EU, and how long we take to make those decisions.
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Aligning rules with the US wasn't the question asked in the 2016 EU referendum
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It's not a particularly funny April Fool's Day joke, that articleLost Soul wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ter-brexit
I wouldn't be surprised if government thought it up and attempted implementation
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Good-morning, everyone
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Tories latest line is really pathetic, breaching commitments in their manifesto indeed.
The one that was cobbled together in a week with no consultation, almost all of the rest of it was ditched, and it cost them their majority.
You think you've seen them scrape the bottom of the barrel but they always seem to be able to go lower.
The one that was cobbled together in a week with no consultation, almost all of the rest of it was ditched, and it cost them their majority.
You think you've seen them scrape the bottom of the barrel but they always seem to be able to go lower.
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citizenJA wrote:It's not a particularly funny April Fool's Day joke, that articleLost Soul wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ter-brexit
I wouldn't be surprised if government thought it up and attempted implementation
Although it has it's moments.Also at an advanced stage in the discussions is the idea of a “Festival of Britain” – although the Democratic Unionist party has initially said no, arguing it must be called the “Festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”
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LabourList with a very plausible April Fool in the email this morning.
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I've been looking through some of the daily's websites and I honestly couldn't tell you what was an April fool and what was news on any of them.AnatolyKasparov wrote:LabourList with a very plausible April Fool in the email this morning.
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Same hereadam wrote:I've been looking through some of the daily's websites and I honestly couldn't tell you what was an April fool and what was news on any of them.AnatolyKasparov wrote:LabourList with a very plausible April Fool in the email this morning.
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I've changed my mind - the Independent's one is their '40 greatest song lyrics of all time'. Can't believe I missed that before.citizenJA wrote:Same hereadam wrote:I've been looking through some of the daily's websites and I honestly couldn't tell you what was an April fool and what was news on any of them.AnatolyKasparov wrote:LabourList with a very plausible April Fool in the email this morning.
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Stockpiling frenzy drives UK factories ahead of Brexit - PMI
A nasty hangover on the way even if we revoke A50.British manufacturers are increasingly worried that their surge of activity, fuelled by preparations to leave the European Union, will make way for a sharp decline later, survey compiler IHS Markit said.
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I've never stockpiled stuff before but, with two children with Type 1 Diabetes, we have been this time, although we did it in a pretty organised way, buying more of things with long dates that we buy anyway, as well as stocking up on insulin and peripherals - needles for pens, lancets for testing devices, different strips to test, emergency hypostop stuff and glucogen... . It does mean that we shouldn't need to buy flour, pasta, rice... quite a long list - for quite a while once we actually know what's happening.gilsey wrote:Stockpiling frenzy drives UK factories ahead of Brexit - PMI
A nasty hangover on the way even if we revoke A50.British manufacturers are increasingly worried that their surge of activity, fuelled by preparations to leave the European Union, will make way for a sharp decline later, survey compiler IHS Markit said.
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I can envisage big ructions if there should be a second referendum and the rules are different (as they surely need to be) to the first one - ie if it's not the rubbish set-up used by David Cameron.
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I've thought of that too.PorFavor wrote:I can envisage big ructions if there should be a second referendum and the rules are different (as they surely need to be) to the first one - ie if it's not the rubbish set-up used by David Cameron.
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Yes, but I can't think of an outcome that won't cause ructions, unfortunately.PorFavor wrote:I can envisage big ructions if there should be a second referendum and the rules are different (as they surely need to be) to the first one - ie if it's not the rubbish set-up used by David Cameron.
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Indeed, the point is that the rules *should* be different - and it was only Cameron's pathetic weakness and complacency that stopped them being last time around.
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Level of Tory stupid here frightens megilsey wrote:Tories latest line is really pathetic, breaching commitments in their manifesto indeed.
The one that was cobbled together in a week with no consultation, almost all of the rest of it was ditched, and it cost them their majority.
You think you've seen them scrape the bottom of the barrel but they always seem to be able to go lower.
Desperate leadership preventing necessary work getting done
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So when are the votes?
In the meantime I've seen this Retweeted quite a few times and it is quite funny
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BREAKING TORY LEADERSHIP NEWS: Chris Grayling throws his ring into the hat.
In the meantime I've seen this Retweeted quite a few times and it is quite funny
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BREAKING TORY LEADERSHIP NEWS: Chris Grayling throws his ring into the hat.
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Labour is going to whip for Common Market 2.0 (single market/Norway +) - change from last week when MPs simply *encouraged* to support.
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Labour is going to whip for Common Market 2.0 (single market/Norway +) - change from last week when MPs simply *encouraged* to support.
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Jessica didn't say that there have been some tweaks to CM2.0, but I don't know what they are. Probably immigration at a guess.
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Actually I can't find any evidence of a tweak. Maybe I dreamt it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jessica didn't say that there have been some tweaks to CM2.0, but I don't know what they are. Probably immigration at a guess.
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However some "People's Vote" diehards seem determined to vote any other options down
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These things are often somewhat underwhelming, mind......
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MPs are now debating the business motion for the indicative votes process.
Andrea Leadsom, the leader of the Commons, told MPs that the government would be voting against it, because it was opposed in principle to the idea of the government having to cede control of the Commons business.
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Nothing more certain to cause shortages than widespread panic stockpiling ,fine for the people that can,not so hot for others.People are blaming Brexit for totally unrelated decisions.A general not specific observation/comment,clarification and not to be taken as such.
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I read somewhere it had been tweaked in an attempt to get the DUP on board, but I'm not sure what specifically has been changed. If the SNP vote for it this time, it could pass.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Actually I can't find any evidence of a tweak. Maybe I dreamt it?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jessica didn't say that there have been some tweaks to CM2.0, but I don't know what they are. Probably immigration at a guess.
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The country shouldn't have been put in this position.HindleA wrote:Nothing more certain to cause shortages than widespread panic stockpiling ,fine for the people that can,not so hot for others.People are blaming Brexit for totally unrelated decisions.A general not specific observation/comment,clarification and not to be taken as such.
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Doesn't absolve people of all responsibility and remove thought as to consequences of actions,I humbly contend.
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(cJA bold)Willow904 wrote:The country shouldn't have been put in this position.HindleA wrote:Nothing more certain to cause shortages than widespread panic stockpiling ,fine for the people that can,not so hot for others.People are blaming Brexit for totally unrelated decisions.A general not specific observation/comment,clarification and not to be taken as such.
Exactly, that's what burns me. It's the Tory party's interests and not the best interests of people piloting current events. The whole thing was wholly avoidable; it still is.
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Michael Roth says 90 per cent of British cabinet are ignorant of ordinary lives
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Am confident that it's more than 90%
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Am confident that it's more than 90%
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pretty much sums it upHe pointed the finger at UK politicians “born with silver spoons in their mouths, who went to private schools and elite universities” that had brought about the mess but would suffer no consequences themselves.
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Quite a good one from my local Labour party
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Business motion passed debate can continue until 8
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Which is relevant because ERGers were apparently trying to filibuster it.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Business motion passed debate can continue until 8
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HMP Birmingham: G4S loses permanent contract
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A crisis-hit prison is being taken back into public ownership after the private company running it had its contract terminated.
Security firm G4S was awarded a 15-year contract to run HMP Birmingham in 2011.
In August 2018, Peter Clarke, the chief inspector of prisons, said the jail had fallen into a "state of crisis" and was the worst he had come across.
The Prison Service took it over, initially for six months, in August and will now run it permanently.
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Oh look, another one really going well...
UK frontline troop numbers down by as much as a third
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UK frontline troop numbers down by as much as a third
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The British army is on course to miss its targets for the number of recruits it should have by 2020. The army’s 2020 strategy, published in 2015, aimed to have 82,000 army personnel and 30,100 reserves by March 2019. According to MoD statistics, the army only had 79,790 trained personnel in October 2018, and 26,960 trained reserves.
In 2012, the MoD signed a decade-long contract with the outsourcing company Capita to manage recruitment to the armed forces. The National Audit Office found in December that Capita had consistently missed the army’s targets, with the shortfall ranging from 21% to 45% each year.
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Why?Starmer says Labour will not be backing Cherry’s amendment. Joanna Cherry intervenes to ask what Starmer what Labour’s working-class voters will think if the UK crashed out with a no-deal Brexit because Labour did not back her amendment.
Labour have been demanding May takes no deal off the table but is unwilling themselves to support a motion that seeks to do just that.
I haven't heard any kind of reason why Labour won't support this, let alone a credible one.
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The argument seems to be (and I'm not sure I agree though I can see it) that the indicative votes are about what we want not we don't want.Willow904 wrote:Why?Starmer says Labour will not be backing Cherry’s amendment. Joanna Cherry intervenes to ask what Starmer what Labour’s working-class voters will think if the UK crashed out with a no-deal Brexit because Labour did not back her amendment.
Labour have been demanding May takes no deal off the table but is unwilling themselves to support a motion that seeks to do just that.
I haven't heard any kind of reason why Labour won't support this, let alone a credible one.
Cherry's plan might better come forward as an amendment to one or more of the solutions.
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I'm hearing far too much, lately, from Anne Marie Morris (the Esther McVey behave-and-sound-alike). Does she just hang about hoping to be interviewed?
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Merrie Romanians in trouble using the N-word (4-5,6).
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