Monday 1st April 2019

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 8:43 pm

page too

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 8:48 pm

Is this one really that dim?

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Speaker is sadly now openly siding with a House of Commons which never really accepted the verdict of 17.4 people. It is clear that when the Leave vote won the Remain campaign only really started.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:07 pm

page ~~too~~ two

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:13 pm

Squirrels?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:24 pm

PorFavor wrote:Squirrels?

lots

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:24 pm

Another hour, or thereabouts, before the outcome\s.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:34 pm

In addition to the squirrels, my computer went funny today. The clock went forward 2 hours, for some reason. I gather it's a fairly widespread glitch. I got someone to sort it out for me, but then my cursor went missing. Turned it off and turned it on again, and it seems ok now. Touch wood.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:45 pm

Result now expected at around 10pm, I'm hearing.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:51 pm

PorFavor wrote: Turned it off and turned it on again

You'd be good on an IT Helpdesk...

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 9:55 pm

Grace: "Wiggling buttocks enliven existential hell of Brexit debate"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xit-debate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Worth watching accompanying video for Ed Miliband's reaction.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:01 pm

For what we are about to receive . . .

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:03 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:03 pm

Me nerves

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:06 pm

Oh, well.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:07 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:07 pm

Pathetic

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:10 pm

So now it’s May’s really popular deal which absolutely everyone has wanted from day 1

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:11 pm

Vote 4

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:13 pm

that bad, huh? I've not looked yet

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:14 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Vote 4

no

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:14 pm

Nick Boles is reported as having crossed the Floor of the House.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:14 pm

Jessica Elgot
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Breaking - Nick Boles resigns the Conservative whip on the floor of the House of Commons, saying his party cannot compromise

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:15 pm

@PF

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Well ish I only have him half way across....

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm

David.F.Cameron.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm

Conservative colleagues calling out -

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:20 pm

Thanks to the LibDems and CHUKers, it appears.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:20 pm

Man overboard!

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Breaking - Nick Boles resigns the Conservative whip on the floor of the House of Commons, saying his party cannot compromise

Not quite sure when we'll get to see it though...

Edit - ah, that must have been when I was talking to 'er indoors about what we were both doing tomorrow...

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:21 pm

Well and truly screwed. Would like to see the details of who voted for what...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:22 pm

Julian Lewis, a Tory Brexiter, says 157 Tories voted last week in favour of a no-deal Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... 3458366359" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Flick says he saw some grizzly bears near Pulaski's candy store
https://www.quotes.net/mquote/17737" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:24 pm

And they really were. At least one of them. Sorry for having a song for every occasion. I can't help it. You may have gathered that by now.

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:25 pm

Detailed headcounts here - I think TIG and the Lib Dems have delivered, at the very best if we're lucky, the WA and PD as it stands with a harder right new PM to take it forward.

Edited to add - although I confidently expect to hear from them that it's all the labour party's fault, and labour numbers would have made the difference in CMii and CU and CPV but only because people voted against the whip (and most voted against CMii which was the whipped vote, I think) or against the looser party line.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:27 pm

adam wrote:Detailed headcounts here - I think TIG and the Lib Dems have delivered, at the very best if we're lucky, the WA and PD as it stands with a harder right new PM to take it forward.

How?

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:29 pm

citizenJA wrote:
adam wrote:Detailed headcounts here - I think TIG and the Lib Dems have delivered, at the very best if we're lucky, the WA and PD as it stands with a harder right new PM to take it forward.
How?

Because the lunatic tories now have a legitimate argument that the commons don't have anything positive to put forward and May now has an argument that as the WA is the only possible deal it should be that or no deal.

ETA - as the lunatic tories have said now, the only 'deal' the commons has passed is the one asking for somebody else to come up with a different plan for the Irish border. So we should go ahead with that one. I would imagine they will be pressing that argument again now - it's no backstop or no deal.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:30 pm

I looked at the Clarke vote. Basically only Labour and Tories voted for it.

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:33 pm

And, following on from that, the issue isn't that the WA is an abomination because it isn't (although it's clearly bollocks as it stands because of the NI situation but it's only clearly bollocks because any way forward would be clearly bollocks), it's that this will now get us out one way or another without any really telling pressure upon the government to go forward looking for a closer association. We'll leave, and whoever it is further to the right who takes over from May will lead us to a minimal trade deal.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:33 pm

adam wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
adam wrote:Detailed headcounts here - I think TIG and the Lib Dems have delivered, at the very best if we're lucky, the WA and PD as it stands with a harder right new PM to take it forward.
How?
Because the lunatic tories now have a legitimate argument that the commons don't have anything positive to put forward and May now has an argument that as the WA is the only possible deal it should be that or no deal.

Thank you. I tried deleting my question after clearing my head and thinking on it a minute. I understand the reason for gloom. Is there no hope for better?

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:35 pm

Whilst I would have no real expectation of this, this was obviously also the moment for those in the cabinet who had been ordered not to vote at all to say fuck this and vote as they chose. And of course they didn't.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:In addition to the squirrels, my computer went funny today. The clock went forward 2 hours, for some reason. I gather it's a fairly widespread glitch.

Not just me then.

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:37 pm

I appreciate that I might be 'reacting in the moment' a bit here but I honestly can't see a better way forward. Although if May now forces her deal through she is very likely to lose the DUP's C&S arrangement, and possibly a few more of her less right colleagues, and I would guess that we are a little more likely to have an election.

Although I suspect whoever takes over from her will say to the DUP and the EU 'sod the backstop' and just see what happens.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:38 pm

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Conservatives voted seven to one against both customs union and Norway Plus. Neither got to 40 Tory votes. Unless someone shifts, there is no compromise that can pass parliament that a Conservative prime minister can deliver.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:43 pm

Been out celebrating my unlikely survival for another year on this benighted globe, had a lovely Afghani chicken curry, some some splendid real ales, some fine company, then I get back to find everything in the real world is still shit.

Splendid.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:45 pm

totally unnecessary dread, anxiety
wasted time, energy, resources

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:45 pm

I notice the guardian, in listing who voted for and against, are hiding TIG in amongst 'independents' rather than point out what they all voted against.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:45 pm

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The House of Commons again votes against all options. A hard #Brexit becomes nearly inevitable. On Wednesday, the U.K. has a last chance to break the deadlock or face the abyss. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Depressing, ain't it?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:47 pm

Night night.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:47 pm

adam wrote:I notice the guardian, in listing who voted for and against, are hiding TIG in amongst 'independents' rather than point out what they all voted against.

Check again on this page, they're listed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... tive-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:48 pm

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Goodnight, PorFavor

Post by **adam** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:52 pm

citizenJA wrote:
adam wrote:I notice the guardian, in listing who voted for and against, are hiding TIG in amongst 'independents' rather than point out what they all voted against.
Check again on this page, they're listed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... tive-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're right - it's the entry on the live feed that doesn't.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:52 pm

So rather than cooperate they've decided to shoot each other in the face in classic Prisoner's Dilemna style.

This is testing my normally cheery disposition.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 01 Apr, 2019 10:53 pm

What's going on Wednesday?
turning the page now