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Wednesday 3rd April 2019

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Morning all.
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Mother sues over daughter's suicide attempt in school isolation booth
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Crazily sealing mad resignation (5,5).
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HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... gal-action


Mother sues over daughter's suicide attempt in school isolation booth
People with no qualifications running academies are making arbitrary discipline policy decisions without proper regulation or oversight.

The government is letting complete amateurs experiment on a whole generation of children. There will be permanent consequences from the unregulated use of social isolation as a punishment. Talk of putting mental health on a par with physical health is complete bollocks when government policies are a main driver for declines in mental health.
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Good-afternoon, everyone
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Crazily sealing mad resignation (5,5).
Though not the flurry of resignations that some had predicted. So far.......
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Crazily sealing mad resignation (5,5).
Though not the flurry of resignations that some had predicted. So far.......
Indeed not.

Which as we discussed last night should be a warning sign to Corbyn.
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Good morfternoon.

Are we to see a self-preservation coming-together(ish) of the Conservatives against a common enemy (ie Jeremy Corbyn)?
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Corbyn's team are well aware of that, rest assured. Though the fact remains May is not making this "offer" from a position of strength, and that should be exploitable.
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BBC Politics
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What is a greater risk to the UK, asks Conservative Dr Caroline Johnson - "a no-deal #Brexit, versus the risk of letting down the country and ushering in a Marxist, anti-Semite-led government?"
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PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Are we to see a self-preservation coming-together(ish) of the Conservatives against a common enemy (ie Jeremy Corbyn)?
Calling him a Marxist anti-Semite and getting soldiers to shoot photos of him you mean?

I do worry for his safety sometimes.
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Not just me!

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There have been at least 5 serious threats made to Jeremy Corbyn’s life in recent weeks. One culprit asked for details as to where Jeremy lived. We need to give politicians privacy at their family homes. Publicising where they live is placing them in jeopardy. It only takes one.
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PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Are we to see a self-preservation coming-together(ish) of the Conservatives against a common enemy (ie Jeremy Corbyn)?
Truth is, he has been the only thing even vaguely holding them together for a while now.

The paradox is, however, that a more "moderate"/conventional Labour leader might not have reduced the Tories to this state in the first place?
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Whoops!

Sajid Javid speaking in the Commons saying that he wants to "wrong the rights" done to the Windrush generation.
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The Labour Party as a whole needs to defend itself more stridently against charges of anti-Semitism both inside and outside the house.

For example, pointing out that unlike itself, the Conservative party has yet to adopt the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Or pointing out how the incidence on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is at a lower rate that the population as a whole. This fact is being ignored and in my opinion is quite powerful.

Also, take legal action (or threaten to) when accusations are made outside the house. They have the funding to hire the best legal team available.

Otherwise, this smear will continue to gain traction. It's really pissing me off now.

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And the other standout question came from the SNP’s Stewart Hosie. He asked May:

After two years of Brexit deadlock, intransigence and a seven-hour cabinet meeting, the best the prime minister can do is invite the leader of the British Labour party to become the co-owner of her Brexit failure. Let me ask her, had she been the leader of the opposition, and invited into a trap like this, would she have been foolish enough to accept?

Hosie did not get a proper answer, but many Labour MPs were probably thinking his analysis was spot on. (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Paul Waugh
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Labour confirm Corbyn will be joined at May talks with Nick Brown Keir Starmer and Rebecca Long Bailey. Latter cos big part of Lab demands is worker rights.
For Govt, May will be accompanied by SBarclay, JSmith and aides.
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Here you go, gilsey
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NEW - Jeremy Corbyn will take Keir Starmer, Nick Brown and Rebecca Long-Bailey with him to meet the PM later. “A substantial number of our demands relate to her brief,” a spokesman says. She’s also *not* a big referendum fan.
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1:22 PM - Apr 3, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)
He's also had a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon. (Sky News)
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@PF

Snap
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@PaulfromYorkshire

Snap!
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Snap again! How long should we keep this up?
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Actually the Sturgeon meeting is potentially important.

It's been pretty acrimonious between Labour and SNP hasn't it?
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PorFavor wrote:Snap again! How long should we keep this up?
:lol:

Looks like you won in the end ;-)
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I hope Corbyn calls May, Barclay and Smith "friends".
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Actually the Sturgeon meeting is potentially important.

It's been pretty acrimonious between Labour and SNP hasn't it?
Though it is notable that the Nats supported CM 2:0 on Monday.
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The trap: Any “concessions” are temporary & not legally binding. They will be attached to the political declaration. It will be immediately torn up by the incoming Tory leader. The only possible response from Labour: a public vote on what emerges as the price of our support.
1:45 am - 3 Apr 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Another thing that apparently happened today at PMQs - the ever lovely Christopher Chope asked May to list the "many benefits" of a no deal Brexit.

As is not untypical admittedly, she answered a different question entirely :D
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Government underestimates challenge of delivering NHS plan
The success of integrated care systems (ICSs) may be impeded because they are not statutory bodies, and so rely on the goodwill and effective relationships of the organisations involved.
that's a significant problem
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The UK didn't need or want this tangle. It's the Tory party wanting a fight.
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Of course 'this parliament' might not be very long at all.
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14.45

Juncker says no-deal Brexit on 12 April now 'very likely' (Politics Live, Guardian)
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Sturgeon gushing about her meeting with Corbyn :-o

Good news :-)
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Chris Heaton-Harris (a Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Department for Exiting the European Union) has resigned.
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Harsh rhetorician's confused resignation (5,6-6).
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PorFavor wrote:Chris Heaton-Harris (a Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State in the Department for Exiting the European Union) has resigned.
Heaton-Harris is an enthusiastic Brexiter...
As a Brexit minister he was responsible for no-deal planning. He also tells May that her determination to avoid no-deal “obviously makes my job in government irrelevant”.
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Gone quiet here again despite plenty of stuff going on........
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At least one tied vote in the Commons with Bercow having casting vote(s).

Outcome is no further indicative votes but the Cooper bill will be debated.

The talks seem to have gone smoothly and they've agreed a work programme. All sounds great so mundane!
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Gone quiet here again despite plenty of stuff going on........
The Cooper-Letwin bill to stop no-deal Brexit is a dangerous distraction
- Jolyon Maugham
Could someone explain Maugham's reasoning, please? I'm having trouble understanding the dangers. Is he right?
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:At least one tied vote in the Commons with Bercow having casting vote(s).

Outcome is no further indicative votes but the Cooper bill will be debated.

The talks seem to have gone smoothly and they've agreed a work programme. All sounds great so mundane!
I don't understand the implications of Cooper's bill.
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Maugham is a Tory

Is that sufficient explanation? ;-)
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That no-deal Brexit is still a possibility is outrageous because it's disastrous. It's unconscionable of government. Look at what this government are capable of doing to people.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Maugham is a Tory

Is that sufficient explanation? ;-)
It explains why the last three paragraphs are full of nothing.
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One of the biggest questions of the evening is whether Jeremy Corbyn will provoke a fallout with his frontbench over the second referendum issue.

My colleague Heather Stewart has written an excellent piece on this. She writes:

Thornberry’s intervention underlines the balancing act facing Corbyn, who was already under intense pressure to raise the issue of a referendum in talks with the prime minister.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
Jeremy Corbyn must believe that a second Referendum would result in a "Remain" outcome - otherwise why would he be reluctant to go for one?
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PorFavor wrote:
One of the biggest questions of the evening is whether Jeremy Corbyn will provoke a fallout with his frontbench over the second referendum issue.

My colleague Heather Stewart has written an excellent piece on this. She writes:

Thornberry’s intervention underlines the balancing act facing Corbyn, who was already under intense pressure to raise the issue of a referendum in talks with the prime minister.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
Jeremy Corbyn must believe that a second Referendum would result in a "Remain" outcome - otherwise why would he be reluctant to go for one?
I think he believes his duty to Conference is to seek a soft Brexit. If he can achieve that it's job done.

If the deal is "harder" then he will feel he needs to call for a Referendum. In that case he would probably be quite happy if Remain won.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
One of the biggest questions of the evening is whether Jeremy Corbyn will provoke a fallout with his frontbench over the second referendum issue.

My colleague Heather Stewart has written an excellent piece on this. She writes:

Thornberry’s intervention underlines the balancing act facing Corbyn, who was already under intense pressure to raise the issue of a referendum in talks with the prime minister.
(Politics Live, Guardian)
Jeremy Corbyn must believe that a second Referendum would result in a "Remain" outcome - otherwise why would he be reluctant to go for one?
I think he believes his duty to Conference is to seek a soft Brexit. If he can achieve that it's job done.

If the deal is "harder" then he will feel he needs to call for a Referendum. In that case he would probably be quite happy if Remain won.
I feel that he would be very unhappy if remain won.


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