Wednesday 3rd April 2019

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 8:13 pm

PorFavor wrote: I feel that he would be very unhappy if remain won.

Hmmm - I wonder if we'll ever know!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 8:26 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
PorFavor wrote: I feel that he would be very unhappy if remain won.
Hmmm - I wonder if we'll ever know!

Well, if a second referendum were held and "Leave" prevailed we'd have a reasonable idea!

Which would be fair enough (although I'd be very disappointed at such a result). But I could at least continue to vote Labour without the heaviness I feel at present.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 8:29 pm

I've been following news all afternoon. The contradictions and incomplete information reported have made it impossible for me to sort out what's currently going on. I'm withholding judgement until I know more.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 8:56 pm

I've never been a fan of Jess Phillips (although she's growing on me - has she toned it down a bit or am I just getting used to her?). Any road up, I agree with everything she's just said about a 2nd referendum.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:21 pm

Busted Lib clash flibustering (4,4).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:I've never been a fan of Jess Phillips (although she's growing on me - has she toned it down a bit or am I just getting used to her?). Any road up, I agree with everything she's just said about a 2nd referendum.

As I've said before I think she's outstanding when pointing in the right direction.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:23 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Busted Lib clash flibustering (4,4).

He's just now shut up. Praise be!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:29 pm

@PaulfromYorkshire

By the way - is that similar to fly-tipping? (Although in the case of Bill Cash, the answer has to be "yes".)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:31 pm

Nick Boles MP
✔
@NickBoles

I am no longer a member of the Conservative Party. So I can be blunt where previously I might have been discreet. The PM’s head of communications Robbie Gibb is a hard Brexiter who wants to destroy the PM’s new search for a cross party compromise.
1,664
9:16 PM - Apr 3, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:39 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Nick Boles MP
✔
@NickBoles

I am no longer a member of the Conservative Party. So I can be blunt where previously I might have been discreet. The PM’s head of communications Robbie Gibb is a hard Brexiter who wants to destroy the PM’s new search for a cross party compromise.
1,664
9:16 PM - Apr 3, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)

I've just seen that he was described as a Brexiter in a profile that the Indy did when he joined No 10.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 27351.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Amazing how many of the people in charge of politics at the lefty BBC turn out to be right wing...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:45 pm

Robbie Gibb, if I remember correctly, was in the Federation of Conservative Students, famously disbanded in the 80s by Norman Tebbit for being too extreme even for him.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 9:55 pm

I see the "Oh, but poor Robbie can't defend himself" line is coming out from the usual suspects.

Er, no...he's not a civil servant like Olly Robbins but a political appointee.

And DFH is clearly trying to line himself up for a No 10 job...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:09 pm

Voting now on the Cooper bill.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:12 pm

Rejected

Post by **adam** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:12 pm

Senior Labour source telling me today's talks did not go as well as initially thought:
'May offered nothing today. Unless tomorrow's talks change the narrative it seems to be a waste of time.'

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Rejected

Or perhaps not.

What's your source?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:19 pm

Thanks. I thought I'd heard that but couldn't track it down.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:20 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Rejected
Or perhaps not.

What's your source?

I think that was one of the thousands of amendments we have to wade through.

Post by **adam** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:20 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Rejected
Or perhaps not.

What's your source?

The Guardian wrote:I just made an error: the vote hasn’t failed, an amendment by the former minister George Eustice was just defeated by 304 ayes to 313 noes.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:22 pm

I think they are voting on amendments to the Cooper bill.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:24 pm

Ok - the grain live thing was my source

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:25 pm

Graun

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:25 pm

Not grain

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:26 pm

Post by **adam** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:28 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think they are voting on amendments to the Cooper bill.

G says final votes expected around midnight.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:32 pm

Jennifer-Anne Scott
‏@NifS
48 seconds ago

The government amendment to Yvette Cooper's bill was defeated 220 to 400. That is a majority against of 180. It is the second biggest government defeat in modern times, after the first meaningful vote. #Politics2019

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:32 pm

Stephen Barclay's amendment defeated massively. Does anyone know what it said? I've lost the will to live (Cash-itis).

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:32 pm

PorFavor wrote: I feel that he would be very unhappy if remain won.

Do you?
I don't think he would mind at all.

I think McDonnell in particular would be very happy to take over the mantle of 'party of business', now the tories have discarded it.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:33 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jennifer-Anne Scott
‏@NifS
48 seconds ago

The government amendment to Yvette Cooper's bill was defeated 220 to 400. That is a majority against of 180. It is the second biggest government defeat in modern times, after the first meaningful vote. #Politics2019

Here we go again - snap!

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:35 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Jennifer-Anne Scott
‏@NifS
48 seconds ago

The government amendment to Yvette Cooper's bill was defeated 220 to 400. That is a majority against of 180. It is the second biggest government defeat in modern times, after the first meaningful vote. #Politics2019

Is brexit the worst thing Cameron did or does the FTPA take the prize? Is there a precedent for a govt being able to stumble on, unable to get its business through the house?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:38 pm

PorFavor wrote:Stephen Barclay's amendment defeated massively. Does anyone know what it said? I've lost the will to live (Cash-itis).

"would have ensured that nothing in the bill could have limited the power of government to seek an extension in their own way."

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:48 pm

Anne Main amendment lost (saying that extension shouldn't go beyond 22nd May).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 10:59 pm

Ridiculous inane man loses amendment (4,4).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:01 pm

Cash amendment loses?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:02 pm

Just one more I read.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:04 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Ridiculous inane man loses amendment (4,4).

No - voting on his one now . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:07 pm

Which is an amendment to prevent any more amendments!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Ridiculous inane man loses amendment (4,4).

No - voting on his one now . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:10 pm

OK - here we go.

Post by **adam** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:26 pm

By 1

Aye - 313
No - 312

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:26 pm

Ayes: 313

Noes: 312

Constance counting her whiskers.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:26 pm

Won by one!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:26 pm

Snap snap

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:29 pm

Oh - joy! Mark Francois. Apparently winning by one vote doesn't count.

Post by **adam** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:34 pm

PorFavor wrote:Oh - joy! Mark Francois. Apparently winning by one vote doesn't count.

And Steve Baker sends out the call for a filibuster in the Lords.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 03 Apr, 2019 11:41 pm

Steve Baker describes it as "a democratic outrage".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 04 Apr, 2019 12:03 am

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 04 Apr, 2019 12:03 am

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Expectation though is that after a long time and unlimited number of votes and amendments, there are overwhelming numbers in the Lords to get the Cooper Letwin bill passed “after a very long night”.

11:53 PM - 3 Apr 2019