Monday 8th April 2019
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Monday 8th April 2019
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Robert Peston is quite the optimist. Unfortunately, I'm not sure his Brexit predictions track record is all that strong.Is cancelling Brexit the Prime Minister’s new default?
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I think I may have done this YouGov survey! I'm one of the minority of remain voters who picked a soft Brexit as the best outcome. I think this is driven by a deep distrust of our ruling classes. I rather like the idea of them being rule takers rather than rule makers. At least for a while. It'll be good for them (and us).Christina Pagel
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Main pts: OVERALL, No Deal is LEAST preferred outcome (despite what ERG say), but it is the MOST preferred outcome for LEAVE voters. 1/6
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Willow904 wrote:https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/Robert Peston is quite the optimist. Unfortunately, I'm not sure his Brexit predictions track record is all that strong.Is cancelling Brexit the Prime Minister’s new default?
She's said this before. Is she threatening everyone with their heart set on some kind of Brexit to vote aye on a variation of her arrangement or she'll revoke Article 50?...the PM is now explicitly saying the choice is a binary one between some version of her negotiated deal and not leaving at all (that is what she said in her sofa chat on Sunday).
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In other words, core Tory voters.However, support for no-deal is being disproportionately driven by those who would probably be least affected by its consequences. The more financially secure Leave voters were, the research suggests, the more they supported a no-deal outcome and the less they worried about its impact on the economy.
if the Tories are to survive Brexit we are either leaving with no deal or May needs a way to blame not leaving with no deal on the opposition. This isn't exactly a trap for Labour, however, as the majority view in the country as a whole is against leaving with no deal.
In this context, May's talk of "no Brexit" is a last ditch effort to bully Tory Brexiters to come behind her tweaked WA and a signal to Tory voters that it's this Brexit or no Brexit at all because the nasty opposition in the Commons are blocking their preferred option of "no deal" Brexit. Oh and has the extra effect of giving remainers like Peston hope that Brexit might not happen so they are extra miffed if Labour do a deal to get Brexit through.
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Yet strangely you're still typing. Am I missing something?!citizenJA wrote:Good morning, everyone
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Yes.citizenJA wrote:Willow904 wrote:https://www.itv.com/news/2019-04-08/is- ... w-default/Robert Peston is quite the optimist. Unfortunately, I'm not sure his Brexit predictions track record is all that strong.Is cancelling Brexit the Prime Minister’s new default?She's said this before. Is she threatening everyone with their heart set on some kind of Brexit to vote aye on a variation of her arrangement or she'll revoke Article 50?...the PM is now explicitly saying the choice is a binary one between some version of her negotiated deal and not leaving at all (that is what she said in her sofa chat on Sunday).
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Those our ruling class can rule will suffer. But they'll do that anyway so what the hell. EU member states are sovereign, each controlling their domestic arrangements. Hopefully there's a better government we can return not hellbent on tyranny.Willow904 wrote:I think I may have done this YouGov survey! I'm one of the minority of remain voters who picked a soft Brexit as the best outcome. I think this is driven by a deep distrust of our ruling classes. I rather like the idea of them being rule takers rather than rule makers. At least for a while. It'll be good for them (and us).Christina Pagel
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article here (link: https://bit.ly/2UGHgtK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) bit.ly/2UGHgtK
Main pts: OVERALL, No Deal is LEAST preferred outcome (despite what ERG say), but it is the MOST preferred outcome for LEAVE voters. 1/6
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onscreen keyboardWillow904 wrote:Yet strangely you're still typing. Am I missing something?!citizenJA wrote:Good morning, everyone
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Its still hard to avoid the conclusion that May pretty much maximised the vote on "her deal" last time round.
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The unlikelihood of it working doesn't affect the likelihood of it being her plan, which continues to be the same plan as far as I can tell.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its still hard to avoid the conclusion that May pretty much maximised the vote on "her deal" last time round.
I think the hints she will legislate for a Customs Union to get Labour votes on board, tying the hands of her replacement, is in the same vein as previous efforts to convince her Brexiteers they aren't going to get better than her deal. On past form, it's hard to say if she'd actually do that, though, or revoke. Which is why it's unlikely to work, of course.
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if the Tories are to survive Brexit we are either leaving with no deal or May needs a way to blame not leaving with no deal on the opposition. This isn't exactly a trap for Labour, however, as the majority view in the country as a whole is against leaving with no deal.
In this context, May's talk of "no Brexit" is a last ditch effort to bully Tory Brexiters to come behind her tweaked WA and a signal to Tory voters that it's this Brexit or no Brexit at all because the nasty opposition in the Commons are blocking their preferred option of "no deal" Brexit. Oh and has the extra effect of giving remainers like Peston hope that Brexit might not happen so they are extra miffed if Labour do a deal to get Brexit through.
exactly what May's 2 minute talk was about
that inveigling way she spoke about Labour after dedicating years reviling them
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If she's ruled out a further or confirmatory referendum and if she's ruled out the custom's union then, unless she's thinking about some funny wordplay around 'the customs union' versus 'a customs union', I really can't imagine what she's talking to Labour about.Willow904 wrote:The unlikelihood of it working doesn't affect the likelihood of it being her plan, which continues to be the same plan as far as I can tell.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its still hard to avoid the conclusion that May pretty much maximised the vote on "her deal" last time round.
I think the hints she will legislate for a Customs Union to get Labour votes on board, tying the hands of her replacement, is in the same vein as previous efforts to convince her Brexiteers they aren't going to get better than her deal. On past form, it's hard to say if she'd actually do that, though, or revoke. Which is why it's unlikely to work, of course.
Except I can, she's just telling them they have to support the withdrawal agreement.
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The ERG's latest plan seems to be to hold an indicative vote of no confidence in May, even though they can't get rid of her, to try to show the rest of the EU she isn't in control and therefore can't make a deal and therefore we leave with no deal on Friday.
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I expect most non-ERG Tories will have nothing to do with any such thing, bet they never thought of that eh.
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Tories fielding local election candidates in record number of seats
"Rumours of death are highly exaggerated";certainly expect loses here ,I hope the unexpected.
Tories fielding local election candidates in record number of seats
"Rumours of death are highly exaggerated";certainly expect loses here ,I hope the unexpected.
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"many of (Labour's) contested areas being Tory heartlands" - I think they missed out an "un-" there.
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I'm a bit late for this - but I hope the talk goes well. What's the topic?RogerOThornhill wrote:Afternoon all. Been preparing myself for a talk I'm giving tonight...
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Pleeze Sir Graham Brady Sir, can we have anuvver go to get rid of the prime minister?
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Cooper Letwin passes in Lords.
Corbyn says May hasn't shifted on red lines.
Where are we heading?
Corbyn says May hasn't shifted on red lines.
Where are we heading?
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -more-time" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, also said the government was still trying to persuade Labour that a customs union was really contained in May’s deal “if only we looked a bit harder”.
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Voting on Cooper-Letwin in the Commons now!
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Commons now voting on Lords Amendments 2 and 3 #EUWithdrawal5Bill
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Robin Walker says Government supports the 3 Amendments made in the Lords.
The 1st Amendment (a technical one) is nodded through.
Bercow takes the other 2 Lords Amendments together, & the Commons will vote on accepting them now.
Result in 15 mins
The 1st Amendment (a technical one) is nodded through.
Bercow takes the other 2 Lords Amendments together, & the Commons will vote on accepting them now.
Result in 15 mins
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Robin Walker has some amusing anagrams BTW
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Lords 2 and 3 passed
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Now voting on Cash amendment to Lords 5
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Lords amendment 5 means that nothing would prevent Ministers from agreeing to an extension not set out in the bill as long as it is to at least 22nd of May.
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Cash seeks to wreck that. Obv because 23 May is the Euro elections.
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Cash seems likely to lose.
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Cash thrashed.
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Now voting on the amendment
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Political Declaration, Paragraph 4
I'd be very interested to hear how the government get from that to 'a custom's union is contained in May's deal'. The only thing I can think of is that it is effectively the status quo during the transition period and nothing to do with the future relationship. It's ever ever so close to a flat out blatant lie.The future relationship will be based on a balance of rights and obligations, taking into account the principles of each Party. This balance must ensure the autonomy of the Union’s decision making and be consistent with the Union’s principles, in particular with respect to the integrity of the Single Market and the Customs Union and the indivisibility of the four freedoms. It must also ensure the sovereignty of the United Kingdom and the protection of its internal market, while respecting the result of the 2016 referendum including with regard to the development of its independent trade policy and the ending of free movement of people between the Union and the United Kingdom.
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Lords Amendment 5 passed 390-81 so Cooper Bill now goes for Royal Assent.
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Done!PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Lords Amendment 5 passed 390-81 so Cooper Bill now goes for Royal Assent.
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The legislation to extend the Brexit process in a bid to avoid a no-deal scenario has received royal assent and has become law.
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Facts shouldn't be ignored in a never before non-Labour district there is a real.possibity they will lose and it is the older keeping the party alive.
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At least Shami gets it over not being the Corbyn party,the sooner the better for the rest.
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Especially real/true keeptheToriesinforeverists.
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Purity is the ultimate weakness