Saturday 13th & Sunday 14th April 2019

Post by **refitman** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 8:33 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 9:26 am

Morning.

Even R4 was hosting views this morning against extraditing Assange. The grounds are extremely thin. If left to the courts, Assange would have a strong case against. May really shouldn't interfere and Corbyn is on the right side of the argument, though others are more critical of Assange while opposing in principle.

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 9:42 am

I'm not sure we had this yesterday:

James Felton
@JimMFelton
Nigel Farage (20 yrs an MEP, about stand for re-election as head of a new political party he's set up) just had a pop at "career politicians" not representing the "real people" before introducing the first candidate & voice of the real people: Jacob Rees Mogg's sister Annunziata.
12:30 PM · Apr 12, 2019

I'm pretty certain she's stood for the Tories at least twice, so if she isn't a "career politician" it certainly hasn't been for a lack of trying.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:18 am

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/ ... ld-not-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The woman jailed for a £4,742 council tax debt she could not pay

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:23 am

Not
thebrexitparty

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:27 am

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Post by **refitman** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:33 am

Michael Walker @michaeljswalker

Woodcock left the Labour Party in the middle of a sexual harassment investigation into his behaviour so somewhat surprising to see his name on this letter

Also worth noting Abbott clear this morning "Assange should face the criminal justice system" if Sweden makes a request.
stellacreasy @stellacreasy

Tonight over 70 parliamentarians stand with victims of sexual violence, and are calling on both the Home Secretary and the shadow Home Sec to urge them both to be champions of action to ensure Julian Assange faces Swedish authorities and is extradited there if they so request:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:37 am

Note absolutely no one has to sell their home,a myth in short a lie widely propagandised across the spectrum.The highly pernicious nature of the Tory proposals was the extension to in own home,an act of immorality,chucking into a home equivalence.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:40 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resour ... ocial-care

I will look at it later, but progressive taxation would seem like a good, simple idea, is it mentioned?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:46 am

I make no judgement on others but abandoning when it gets difficult is anathema to me,the opposite should be the case IMHO.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:49 am

Out of general taxation was,despite efforts,specifically ruled out of one of the options by the previous Labour Government.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 11:04 am

An early guide to tactical voting in the EP elections.
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Yorkshire and the Humber
snip LDs took a huge hit in 2014 and are noticeably behind. Remain voters should vote Green.

Good, that's what I was going to do.

Recommends LDs in the north-east, not sure I could bring myself to do that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 11:09 am

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 11:17 am

gilsey wrote:An early guide to tactical voting in the EP elections.
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Yorkshire and the Humber
snip LDs took a huge hit in 2014 and are noticeably behind. Remain voters should vote Green.
Good, that's what I was going to do.

Recommends LDs in the north-east, not sure I could bring myself to do that.

Most of Labour's candidates in this election will very likely be anti-Brexit, just putting that out there.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 12:01 pm

Those who choose to live and work in Brussels mostly are. The Ukip lot are the exception rather than the rule.

My Labour MEP, Clare Moody, has been very good. I'd like to see her returned, if only for 6 months. The Greens nicked the LD spot here last time, in the Coalition aftermath, but I'm not sure who would do better next time.

All our Ukips from last time seem to be independent now and we only have one Tory as well and I could have sworn there were two!

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 12:30 pm

Today is the centenary of the Amritsar Massacre.

I don't suppose any of you will guess which newspaper it was that lionised General Dyer in its aftermath?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 2:33 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Today is the centenary of the Amritsar Massacre.

I don't suppose any of you will guess which newspaper it was that lionised General Dyer in its aftermath?

Daily Mail?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 2:36 pm

Whatever made you think that the paper that proclaimed "HURRAH FOR THE BLACKSHIRTS" would ever do such a thing??

Needless to say, you are quite correct

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 3:43 pm

My intuition is remarkable

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 3:43 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 5:10 pm

Types of election, referendums, and who can vote
Elections for the European Parliament take place every 5 years. The next election will be in May 2019.
The government has made it clear it intends to leave the EU before the date of European Parliament elections.
If the UK is still in the EU on Thursday 23 May then polls will take place on that day in the UK.
You can find who your MEPs are on the European Parliament website.
The Electoral Commission website has more information about European Parliament elections.
Registration deadlines
You can no longer register to vote in the 2 May elections. You can still register for future elections.
If the UK takes part in the European Parliament elections on 23 May, you need to register by 7 May to vote. You don’t need to register again if you’ve already registered.

(cJA emphasis)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 5:38 pm

Register to Vote
You must register again if you’ve changed address, name or nationality.
You can also use this service to:
- change the way you vote - for example in person, by post or by proxy
- get on or off the open register

You may need the following, if you have them:
- your National Insurance number
- your passport if you’re a British citizen living abroad, and want to vote in England, Scotland or Wales
You need to be on the electoral register to vote in elections and referendums.

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National Insurance number required

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 5:38 pm

Register to vote anonymously
To register to vote anonymously you need to:
- Complete an application form pdf.
- Explain why your safety – or that of someone in the same household as you – would be at risk if your name and address were on the electoral register.

You also need to submit evidence to support your anonymous registration.
There are two options for evidence you can use. You only have to do one of them.
1. Provide a court document that is for your protection or someone in your household. A range of different court documents can be used.
View the full list of court documents that can be used to support your application
2. Get an authorised person to sign your form confirming that your safety, or that of someone in your household, could be at risk if you don’t register anonymously. This is known as an ‘attestation’.
View the full list of who can sign your form for you

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A bit daunting, the anonymous registration process

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 5:39 pm

Good morfternoon.

Timing of May’s ‘festival of Britain’ risks Irish anger
Prime minister’s plan to lift mood after Brexit is set to clash with anniversary of Irish civil war
(Guardian)

Good job I'd only pencilled it in, then.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rish-anger

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:08 pm

May be required if you have them.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:20 pm

In 2013, responsibility for supporting low-income households to pay council tax was given to local government, and funding for it was cut....
Council tax arrears had fallen by 10% in the five years before that.
...households face a fourth consecutive year of above-inflation council tax rises as local authorities attempt to recoup money cut from their budgets by central government.
Research by the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy found 80% of local authorities were imposing the maximum increase permitted this year.

- Council tax debts in England soar 40% in six years

The Tory creation of the Police and Crime Commissioners (PCC) in 2012 has been the largest increase in our council taxes year after year. No other comes close to it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:22 pm

From the Electoral Commission regarding the 2016 Police & Crime Commissioner (PCC) election

...as in 2012, voters reported a lack of awareness about the role of the [Police and Crime Commissioner] PCCs, what the elections were for and information about the candidates.

In our report, we have again recommended that the UK Government amend legislation to allow a candidate information booklet to be sent to all households in each police force area ahead of the PCC elections. We also highlighted our concern about the combination of different polls which are currently scheduled to take place in May 2020.
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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:28 pm

HindleA wrote:May be required if you have them.

If you can’t provide a National Insurance number you will need to explain why. You’ll also need to send copies of identity documents through the post. This could delay your name getting on the electoral register. If you have a protected national insurance number, the Electoral Commission have provided some guidance on how to apply.
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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:38 pm

I don't like finding ways government can foul up lives. Given the last nine years in particular, I'd be a fool not to be on the lookout for it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 6:50 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Timing of May’s ‘festival of Britain’ risks Irish anger
Prime minister’s plan to lift mood after Brexit is set to clash with anniversary of Irish civil war
(Guardian)
Good job I'd only pencilled it in, then.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rish-anger

“Holding a festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in 2022, on the centenary of Ireland’s partition and civil war, would be the worst possible timing. It is only likely to heighten tensions between communities – and that’s before we know Brexit’s implications for the border. Right across the UK, a festival so closely associated with Brexit may only reinforce divides when it could be bridging them.”

If Tories were any good for most people, I'd be less angry and fearful about their leadership. They've been worse than I imagined.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 8:32 pm

The polls are moving!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 8:47 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls are moving!

Are you ok!!??

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 8:52 pm

Feeling better than quite a few Tories are just now, I would think.......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:17 pm

By coincidence staying near Bramall Lane.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:21 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:23 pm

HindleA wrote:By coincidence staying near Bramall Lane.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 13 Apr, 2019 10:32 pm

Thanks whoever linked the David Allen Green paper yesterday. I am able to access it and enjoyed my read.

It made me feel quite good about this place. DAG highlights the nature of much of the anti-Corbyn discourse that is grounded in normative certainties rather than on evidence. You don't have to be a Corbyn supporter to despair of critiques that say that Corbyn supporters are stupid, juvenile and have no credibility. On what basis?

DAG also fires a strong warning across the bows of his political scientist colleagues to consider the wisdom of being sucked into the commentariat to give snap verdicts and predictions, rather than considered, critical accounts.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 8:18 am

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Finland election: voters may pick first leftist prime minister in two decades

Post by **adam** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 9:09 am

Excellent piece on diversity protests at Birmingham schools

The culture war over ‘LGBT lessons’ is based on distortion. Here are the facts

So, let’s take a step back and get clear on what we’re actually talking about. No Outsiders teaches primary school pupils to celebrate diversity – including of race, religion, and sexual orientation. In other words, it teaches children to respect differences protected by the Equality Act. It is not a “LGBT curriculum”. It also isn’t what is being mandated for primary schools – it is one programme created by one teacher in Birmingham, which has been voluntarily taught by some schools.

Next, there is no mandatory “primary sex ed”. Parliament voted to approve a new primary school subject called “relationships education”, and there isn’t a bit of sex in it. The key teachings are about the importance of friendships, family and other relationships, as well as how to stay safe. This could just have easily have been called “life skills”.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 10:16 am

Good-morning, everyone

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 10:35 am

So the main guests of Marr this morning are a senior Tory and the UKIP leader.

Extremely balanced......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 10:43 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:So the main guests of Marr this morning are a senior Tory and the UKIP leader.

Extremely balanced......

David Lammy's on now. Pretty compelling.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 10:44 am

Good morfternoon.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 11:09 am

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:So the main guests of Marr this morning are a senior Tory and the UKIP leader.

Extremely balanced......
David Lammy's on now. Pretty compelling.

Nobody from the Labour front bench, then. Again.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 11:13 am

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Britons going to terror hotspots face 10 years in jail under new laws

Quite concerning this. Very authoritarian. Especially the fact that a good number of those returning from Syria have been assessed as not a threat. This legislation seems to be seeking to criminalise and jail such people regardless of no evidence of wrongdoing, at least that's how it seems to me. Where's the evidence current measures aren't working?:

More than 900 individuals “of national security concern” from the UK have travelled to take part in the conflict in Syria, the Home Office estimates. Of these, about 20% have been killed overseas and about 40% have returned to the UK.

Figures disclosed in the Commons last year suggested that only about 10% of returnees have been prosecuted over “direct action” in Syria, although the government says a significant proportion of those who have come back were assessed as no longer being of national security concern.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 1:35 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Thanks whoever linked the David Allen Green paper yesterday. I am able to access it and enjoyed my read.

It made me feel quite good about this place. DAG highlights the nature of much of the anti-Corbyn discourse that is grounded in normative certainties rather than on evidence. You don't have to be a Corbyn supporter to despair of critiques that say that Corbyn supporters are stupid, juvenile and have no credibility. On what basis?

DAG also fires a strong warning across the bows of his political scientist colleagues to consider the wisdom of being sucked into the commentariat to give snap verdicts and predictions, rather than considered, critical accounts.

This is a wise post right here. Thank you. Thank you, gilsey, for posting the links.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 1:38 pm

DAG is not exactly a Corbyn fan, so this is an interesting contribution from them for that reason alone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 1:43 pm

Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... r-new-laws
Britons going to terror hotspots face 10 years in jail under new laws
Quite concerning this. Very authoritarian. Especially the fact that a good number of those returning from Syria have been assessed as not a threat. This legislation seems to be seeking to criminalise and jail such people regardless of no evidence of wrongdoing, at least that's how it seems to me. Where's the evidence current measures aren't working?:

(cJA edit)
Disturbs me too. People may think avoiding Syria or somewhere else on a 'terror hotspot' list will keep them safe. It won't.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 1:52 pm

Vilifying Labour and Labour leaders isn't new but it's always updated.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 14 Apr, 2019 2:45 pm

Members are not exactly unknown to,the more the claim to get the Tories out the more likely it isn't.If you genuinely do you don't have to state it.

PTO