Monday 29th April 2019

[HindleA]

Morning



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I've done the last mile backwards,hopped over the line but (as yet)never crawled over the line on hands and knees

[HindleA]

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Damian Green suggests modelling social care provision on state pension
Proposals including fuel allowance tax and surcharges labelled ‘a tax on getting old’ by opposition


Half spend not on elderly.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Socialists win Spanish election, BBC seems most concerned with the party that came fifth (or whatever)

Plus ca change.

[Willow904]

From the G:

Downing Street confirms next Queen's speech being held up

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It seems strange that a government can just do this. You'd think if a parliamentary session has been scheduled to last "x" amount of time, it wouldn't be that easy to just change it. It is, after all one of the most formal elements of our parliamentary democracy.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Socialists win Spanish election, BBC seems most concerned with the party that came fifth (or whatever)

Plus ca change.

Indeed. Though reports focusing on the collapse of the Popular Party as a portent for what might happen to the Tories are more palatable

[PaulfromYorkshire]

From the G:

Downing Street confirms next Queen's speech being held up

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... -live-news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems strange that a government can just do this. You'd think if a parliamentary session has been scheduled to last "x" amount of time, it wouldn't be that easy to just change it. It is, after all one of the most formal elements of our parliamentary democracy.

Indeed.

I guess the basic problem is we have a Monarch. The PM basically acts like a stand in for the Queen and can do what she likes.

[Sorry for the oversimplified account of our constitution!]

[AnatolyKasparov]

Socialists win Spanish election, BBC seems most concerned with the party that came fifth (or whatever)

Plus ca change.

Indeed. Though reports focusing on the collapse of the Popular Party as a portent for what might happen to the Tories are more palatable

The parallels are certainly being drawn.......

[adam]

On this weird nonsense...

Rape cases ‘could fail’ if victims refuse to give police access to phones

And the director of public prosecutions, Max Hill, who has been DPP since last November, said: “You can end up in an extreme case where there’s there’s outright refusal [by a complainant] to allow access [to mobile phone contents] … and that can have consequences for our ability to pursue a prosecution.

What relevant thing could there be on a rape victim's phone that wouldn't be available to the defendant to use in their defense? I think what this means is that if you make an allegation of rape you are going to have to go out of your way to prove that you didn't consent to sex and specifically you're going to have to provide the police with access to your devices and accounts so they can trawl your history and see what you've been up to.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Corbyn has said this is nonsense, good for him.

[Willow904]

Jon Lansman
@jonlansman
Replying to
@tom_watson

@hudaelmi_
and 7 others
At conf we agreed: “If the Govt is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy & communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.” So surely we too can all agree to a confirmatory vote on any govt deal in our manifesto!
3:36 PM · Apr 28, 2019

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[PaulfromYorkshire]

Lacy plasma regenerated scathing response to Iain Duncan Smith's Brexit plans (6,4).

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Hint

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a "must watch" - to the end

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Jon Lansman
@jonlansman
Replying to
@tom_watson

@hudaelmi_
and 7 others
At conf we agreed: “If the Govt is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy & communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.” So surely we too can all agree to a confirmatory vote on any govt deal in our manifesto!
3:36 PM · Apr 28, 2019

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It's hopeless isn't it. So dispiriting reading that thread.

Most of the people shouting are saying "It's not good enough for Labour to promise a referendum. I will never vote Labour again unless you include my favourite option (i.e. either Remain or WTO) as the alternative."

Rarely have I seen more need for consensus.

[citizenJA]

From the G:

Downing Street confirms next Queen's speech being held up

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... -live-news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It seems strange that a government can just do this. You'd think if a parliamentary session has been scheduled to last "x" amount of time, it wouldn't be that easy to just change it. It is, after all one of the most formal elements of our parliamentary democracy.

Indeed.

I guess the basic problem is we have a Monarch. The PM basically acts like a stand in for the Queen and can do what she likes.

[Sorry for the oversimplified account of our constitution!]

I don't think it's an oversimplification at all
you've described it perfectly

[citizenJA]

Good afternoon, everyone.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

All this furore about what precisely will be in the Labour Euro manifesto while almost nobody is pointing out that the Tories won't have a manifesto at all

[AnatolyKasparov]

Jon Lansman
@jonlansman
Replying to
@tom_watson

@hudaelmi_
and 7 others
At conf we agreed: “If the Govt is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy & communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.” So surely we too can all agree to a confirmatory vote on any govt deal in our manifesto!
3:36 PM · Apr 28, 2019

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It's hopeless isn't it. So dispiriting reading that thread.

Most of the people shouting are saying "It's not good enough for Labour to promise a referendum. I will never vote Labour again unless you include my favourite option (i.e. either Remain or WTO) as the alternative."

Rarely have I seen more need for consensus.

Not that many genuine Labour people prepared to die in the ditch for that, tbf.

[citizenJA]

Early night for me
Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA