Wednesday 1st May 2019

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:02 am

Morning all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:03 am

https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/30/by-using ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:09 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ourt-judge" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Universal credit is 'Orwellian', says former high court judge
Sir Stephen Sedley says digital benefits system is also failing to meet legal obligations

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:11 am

former high court judge has described universal credit as “Orwellian” because of its tendency to create and exacerbate misery for claimants even while it professes to be rescuing them from hardship.

Hallybloodylulah,by Jove he's got it

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:16 am

It's the Tories that need the 'vulnerable',the true Socialist knows that we are all vulnerable.IMHO

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:20 am

So it's not so much how "civilised" Society is in it's treatment of the "vulnerable" but how it meets it's basic responsibilities to all it's citizens.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:22 am

Neglect is neglect,regardless of "poor" etc ascription.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:41 am

Deranged gnu ate straw on Today programme (6,5).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:42 am

True Socialists have no need to dehumanise billionaires to make their point.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:44 am

Am I endeavouring to reclaim Socialism from the bilious hate filled left-you betcha.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:47 am

I am no better or worse because I always refused the "oppressed" tag.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:50 am

I treat everybody wIth the same disdain.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:53 am

HindleA wrote:True Socialists have no need to dehumanise billionaires to make their point.

Some commentators saw that video as doing a pretty decent job of explaining macroeconomics to a wide audience. I don't think we were literally meant to hate the billionaire!

But point taken.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 8:08 am

If you take any more points I'll be relegated.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 May, 2019 8:25 am

HindleA wrote:If you take any more points I'll be relegated.

Yes sorry for the repeat posts (now deleted)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:28 am

I've cut my membership card up.It was last year's anyway.I'll repeat the process next year.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:36 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/educatio ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not voting Labour until I get what I want,fuck everybody else.I'll scream until I am sick

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:37 am

Of course I'll never get what I want,repeatedly.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:50 am

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publicatio ... l-care-360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The number of carers provided with direct support by local authorities decreased overall between 2015/16 and 2017/18. Within this overall decline, the percentage who received information, advice or signposting increased while the percentage receiving direct payments or services fell. Information, advice and signposting makes up the majority of direct support received by carers (64.7 per cent in 2017/18).

By contrast, the number of people claiming Carer’s Allowance has been steadily increasing over this period (and, in fact, well before it), with an additional 29,000 receiving the benefit between February 2017 and February 2018.

The Family Resources Survey suggests that until 2016/17 the percentage of people who self-identify as carers was consistent at 8 per cent, which – when population growth is taken into account – means that the number of carers in the population increased. However, in 2017/18, the percentage of carers had fallen to 7 per cent, which equates to a reduction in the number of carers to 4.5 million from 4.7 million in 2007/08.

The most comprehensive – albeit dated – estimate of the numbers of carers in England comes from the 2011 Census, which found around 10 per cent of the population – 5.4 million people – to be carers.

However, all estimates may reflect the fact that individuals often do not self-identify as carers. Carers UK found that most carers took more than a year to recognise their caring role and almost one in four took more than five years."
If at all

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:51 am

Rise in SP a factor.(you can't get both).Horrifically ,for some the SP is a benefit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:54 am

Some of the most anti benefiteers are benefit receivers

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:56 am

I've never claimed a penny except when I did(or didn't have to)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 9:58 am

PF,there is another of PfY's gnu references for your delight.Surely worth a "Good morfternoon"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 10:01 am

Cutting your card up,eating it or putting it where the sun doesn't shine doesn't actually stop you being a member,but I hope there isn't any pictures.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 01 May, 2019 10:23 am

HindleA wrote: The number of carers provided with direct support by local authorities decreased overall between 2015/16 and 2017/18. Within this overall decline, the percentage who received information, advice or signposting increased while the percentage receiving direct payments or services fell. Information, advice and signposting makes up the majority of direct support received by carers (64.7 per cent in 2017/18).

I do wonder what the point of local elections is, when authorities have barely enough money to meet their statutory responsibilities.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 01 May, 2019 11:05 am

I just need to say something which we don't often bother to say because it's so obvious.

We have the worst govt ever following on from the second worst ever following on from the third worst ever, all conservative. You could quibble about the rankings and the LibDems.

All day every day the media is full of how rubbish Labour are.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 01 May, 2019 11:21 am

gilsey wrote:
HindleA wrote: The number of carers provided with direct support by local authorities decreased overall between 2015/16 and 2017/18. Within this overall decline, the percentage who received information, advice or signposting increased while the percentage receiving direct payments or services fell. Information, advice and signposting makes up the majority of direct support received by carers (64.7 per cent in 2017/18).
I do wonder what the point of local elections is, when authorities have barely enough money to meet their statutory responsibilities.

One year our local prospective Labour councillors campaigned on getting some white lines painted to stop cars parking opposite a t-junction. They delivered on their promise and the lines were actually very effective in discouraging parking and it did make turning in and out of said t-junction a lot easier!

So although I do agree with your point, and what the Tories have done to local government is a disgrace, I don't think it's entirely pointless for people to stand as local councillors and for us to vote for them. Small choices at a local level can sometimes make a big difference. Oh and although I have sympathy with some Tory councillors, who can sometimes be genuinely public spirited at the local level, these elections are a good opportunity to point out to voters that the lack of money all councillors are complaining about is a direct policy choice of the national party they are supporters and members of. If their council seats are threatened as a consequence of this, they have the power to put pressure on the government to change their policy. It seems just about the only way a change of approach from the top may come about while the Tories remain in government.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 May, 2019 11:34 am

Morning all.

A rather more measured response to the Corbyn / Hobson affair than the 99% of people yowling about it who wouldn't have even heard of Hobson or the book until yesterday.

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I'd be interested to know when someone actually noticed that Corbyn had written a foreward to this back in 2011. I tend to think it's been sitting in a store quietly for a while waiting for an opportunity to be brought out.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 12:28 pm

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"vulnerability to food insecurity has increased in recent years among low-income adults, in particular those with disabilities. "

Made vulnerable.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 12:30 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'New-build homes not fire safe', BBC investigation finds

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 12:34 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

A rather more measured response to the Corbyn / Hobson affair than the 99% of people yowling about it who wouldn't have even heard of Hobson or the book until yesterday.

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I'd be interested to know when someone actually noticed that Corbyn had written a foreward to this back in 2011. I tend to think it's been sitting in a store quietly for a while waiting for an opportunity to be brought out.

Hobson was a lifelong Liberal, praised in public by Nick Clegg less than a decade ago.

Re your last point - seems obvious the Times wanted some sort of anti-Corbyn "splash" on the eve of tomorrow's elections, this was the "best" they could manage.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 12:37 pm

Sometimes circumstances dictate "low incomed" status.Fair enough;however the State not only abnegating it's part of the reciprocal agreement (particularly given mutually beneficial to the State and household)but actively penalising is the real "unfairness"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 12:40 pm

He praised a Liberal?Appalling.Never voting Labour again.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 1:33 pm

David Aaronovitch being pwned on Twitter again, I see.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 01 May, 2019 2:09 pm

Grayling strikes again.

The Department for Transport is cancelling contracts to provide extra ferry services after Brexit.

Ending the contracts with Brittany Ferries and DFDS could cost the taxpayer more than £50m.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48117366" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 2:11 pm

You can almost set your clock by him, which is more than can be said for anything he is "in charge" of.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 May, 2019 4:47 pm

I see the Liaison Committee are having a hard time getting a straight answer out of T.May...

Q: People are annoyed at how Brexit has held up policy on other issues. When will the social care green paper being published?

May says it is not the case that all work on this has been shelved.

Q: But the green paper is ready. When will it be published?

May says she recognises how strongly people feel about this.

This is a short-term, a medium-term and a long-term issue, she says.

The green paper will be published “at the earliest opportunity”.

Q: But when?

May says Wollaston is assuming that there is a completed green paper. She does not accept that.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 5:38 pm

Has she said "nothing has changed"?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 01 May, 2019 5:44 pm

She said "I have been very clear"

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Nothing's changed, except her willingness to say "nothing's changed".

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 5:56 pm

Gavin Williamson sacked

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 May, 2019 6:20 pm

Just saw that - wow!

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Bloody hell - just read the letter!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 6:23 pm

Apparently he denies being the leaker - this could get seriously nasty.

Fight! Fight!!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 May, 2019 6:28 pm

Probably told the SpAd to do it and hoped he could do a "Everyone thinks you should go" on them.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:08 pm

Recall petition in Peterborough has succeeded, by some margin. Byelection likely to be on June 6.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:35 pm

HindleA wrote:It's the Tories that need the 'vulnerable',the true Socialist knows that we are all vulnerable.IMHO

Yes. Projecting vulnerability outside of self not acknowledging own vulnerability creates problems. Everyone is vulnerable. It's part of being alive. Cooperative effort is a wise choice. Fewer people suffer and there's less waste and fear.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:46 pm

HindleA wrote:Am I endeavouring to reclaim Socialism from the bilious hate filled left-you betcha.

Most people cooperate and love others every day; it's successful. Persuasive marketing makes pejoratives out of words describing decent attributes and ideas.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:51 pm

gilsey wrote:I just need to say something which we don't often bother to say because it's so obvious.

We have the worst govt ever following on from the second worst ever following on from the third worst ever, all conservative. You could quibble about the rankings and the LibDems.

All day every day the media is full of how rubbish Labour are.

I've noticed this too. Pointing out this phenomenon matters. Thank you.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 May, 2019 7:57 pm

gilsey wrote:
HindleA wrote: The number of carers provided with direct support by local authorities decreased overall between 2015/16 and 2017/18. Within this overall decline, the percentage who received information, advice or signposting increased while the percentage receiving direct payments or services fell. Information, advice and signposting makes up the majority of direct support received by carers (64.7 per cent in 2017/18).
I do wonder what the point of local elections is, when authorities have barely enough money to meet their statutory responsibilities.

Tossing Tory party Councillors out on their ear

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 01 May, 2019 8:33 pm

Strange puny adornment tipped to replace Williamson (5,8).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 May, 2019 10:23 pm

Thank you Barcelona, job not done yet though

Oh, and anybody for PTO?