Thursday 2nd May 2019

Post by **refitman** » Thu 02 May, 2019 7:03 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 8:44 am

Confirmed. Strange puny adornment replacing Gavin Williamson (5,8).

Post by **adam** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:01 am

Went to see John Vidal speak last night (hasn't it got busy around here) and he was kind of okay - interesting about some bad things (big report out at the weekend telling us how very very much worse current levels of extinction appears to be than we had thought) although he was also a bit of a middle class idiot. Taking a meeting of people who turned out to listen about climate catastrophe and asking 'how many would be willing to fly less' and then, at a push, 'how many would be prepared to stop flying' without considering to ask 'how many simply don't fly' (and the same with driving, for that matter) is just ridiculous.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:15 am

Morning all.

On that Twitter someone alerted me to the fact that JRM has written a book about The Victorians. So I checked to see who Amazon think are the appropriate ones to stick up as who have reviewed it...

"A full-throated, clear-sighted, well-researched and extremely well written exposition of the Victorians and their values. Rees-Mogg’s choice of a dozen Victorian luminaries allows him to defend an era too often ignored or written off in British history, and to compare it to our modern day in a way that readers will find gripping but also chastening" (Andrew Roberts, bestselling author of ‘Churchill: Walking with Destiny’)

"A fine philosophical mind" (Matthew Parris)

"One of the most important politicians in the country" (Economist)

"Polite, eloquent, witty, well-informed, coherent, principled ― Jacob Rees-Mogg is the antithesis of almost every-thing the Labour party stands for under its current populist leadership" (James Delingpole)

"The best-dressed man in the House of Commons" (Spectator)

So 3/5 don't actually talk about the book and one of the others is that well-known level-headed intellectual...er...James Delingpole.

I'll pass I think...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:34 am

The Speaker has granted two UQ - one on Failing Grayling's latest...and this.

Labour Whips
✔
@labourwhips
UQ granted at 1030 to @tom_watson to ask @theresa_may if she will make a statement on the findings of the inquiry into the National Security Committee leak.

I think at least one person will be listening with keen interest...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 10:08 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government failure has landed thousands of carers in debt. Where is its compassion?

(Usual,fuck compassion,judicious vast cost saving indepence enhancing facillitation,relying on being sufficiently worthy of compassion is bullshit IMHO)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 10:20 am

You can be a billionaire and receive CA of course,it is no better or worse,"compassionate" wise.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 10:25 am

Or do you have to be sufficiently poor/pathetic to reach the correct level of rightful compassion,where is the cross over line?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 11:27 am

Everybody in areas which have elections today - vote Labour.

That is all

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 12:03 pm

If only I could..(already have)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 12:29 pm

Have duly voted myself (there's a mayoral as well as district council election here today)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 12:38 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 93206.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 12:44 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -elections" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 12:46 pm

https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/in ... rogrammes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 1:07 pm

HindleA wrote:If only I could..(already have)

Pah - vote early, vote often

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 1:15 pm

Gavin Williamson -

[youtube]H7dGIC9bnCo[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 1:23 pm

I had Gavin Williamson pegged as the leaker - although I thought that someone less high profile would have to take the blame. I'm now suspicious about the alacrity with which Theresa May got rid of him, the shredding of his character, and the wish for the "closing down" of the issue. Whether or not he's "guilty", it's all a bit odd.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 02 May, 2019 1:26 pm

Labour had a teller at our polling station. Not taking any chances with voter apathy!

Also had a Parish council vote to whittle 18 down to 17. I just voted for a couple of people I knew. A reminder why we have the party system. It does help you choose between a bunch of complete strangers, without it you're just stabhing in the dark. Having said that, I do think Parish level works better without party politics. It's unpaid and generally only attracts those genuinely interested in the local community (and who's building an extension

)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 1:57 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Everybody in areas which have elections today - vote Labour.

That is all

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 2:04 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 2:06 pm

Good morfternoon.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 4:03 pm

Collapsing cordial Devonian died 500 years ago today (off topic, 8,2,5).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 4:12 pm

PorFavor wrote:I had Gavin Williamson pegged as the leaker - although I thought that someone less high profile would have to take the blame. I'm now suspicious about the alacrity with which Theresa May got rid of him, the shredding of his character, and the wish for the "closing down" of the issue. Whether or not he's "guilty", it's all a bit odd.

As is the almost frantic insistence by government spokesbods that the police aren't going to get involved, despite this supposedly being a very serious matter.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 4:26 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Collapsing cordial Devonian died 500 years ago today (off topic, 8,2,5).

Thanks for the anagrams over the past few days. I have been following all the posts even though I haven't been participating. Although I expect you already gnu that . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 4:47 pm

Daft gushy voter, confused, will campaign for Lib Dems in Euro elections (3,11).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 4:48 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Collapsing cordial Devonian died 500 years ago today (off topic, 8,2,5).
Thanks for the anagrams over the past few days. I have been following all the posts even though I haven't been participating. Although I expect you already gnu that . . .

Aaargh

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 02 May, 2019 6:58 pm

The deed is done. Voted Green for the first time ever. Couldn't face having my vote used as an endorsement of Labour's duplicitous antics and the Lib-Dems still reek of the stinking bed they shared with the Tories.

Won't make much difference though, Labour will win here by a mile.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 7:22 pm

The Representation of the People (England and Wales) (Description of Electoral Registers and Amendment) Regulations 2013
There are two registers. Why?
Using information received from the public, registration officers keep two registers – the electoral register and the open register (also known as the edited register). The electoral register lists the names and addresses of everyone who is registered to vote in public elections. The register is used for electoral purposes...and for other limited purposes specified in law. The open register is an extract of the electoral register.... It can be bought by any person, company or organisation. Your name and address will be included in the open register unless you ask for them to be removed.

Default option disclosing everyone's personal information and making people opt out of it is careless. It doesn't much matter anyway. Having read the list of who can access the electoral register, I'm unconvinced here's an effective difference between the registers. How many people with the right to vote aren't on the electoral register because they're reluctant having information made public? I've posted about this issue before now. I remain concerned.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 7:30 pm

What is the purpose of making citizens' personal information available from having registered to vote to anyone other than democratically accountable sources? What's the legitimate justification for businesses and advertisers getting a hold of that data?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 7:34 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.nao.org.uk/press-release/in ... rogrammes/

Investigation into the government’s land disposal strategy and programmes
There is insufficient data to say with certainty on a government level where the sale proceeds have been spent. It would be a concern if departments are selling land and property to support day to day running costs, rather than to invest in refurbishing existing assets or purchasing new ones. The government has not collected aggregate data on how government as a whole has used proceeds from disposals, so the NAO cannot say whether this is the case.

jesus

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 8:11 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Daft gushy voter, confused, will campaign for Lib Dems in Euro elections (3,11).

Who actually is this?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 8:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Daft gushy voter, confused, will campaign for Lib Dems in Euro elections (3,11).
Who actually is this?

Think exasperation. Think EU.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:06 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Daft gushy voter, confused, will campaign for Lib Dems in Euro elections (3,11).
Who actually is this?
Think exasperation. Think EU.

and if you still haven't got it, his first name is there in the correct order, albeit interspersed

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:17 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1.html?amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 02 May, 2019 9:42 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1.html?amp

Is this appropriate? I ask for information regardless of party.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 02 May, 2019 10:04 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1.html?amp
Is this appropriate? I ask for information regardless of party.

Not sure it is. Struck me as a bit odd.

(Though I'm not surprised. GV has a Cleggy tinge IMHO).

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 02 May, 2019 10:20 pm

He has "helpfully" intervened in our domestic politics quite a few times now......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 11:35 pm

Britain Elects @britainelects

#LE2019
St Chad's (Sunderland) result:

Con: 39.8% (+8.0)
Lab: 28.0% (-16.5)
UKIP: 22.3% (+5.5)
Grn: 5.8% (+2.7)
LDem: 4.0% (+0.3)

Conservative GAIN from Labour.
230
11:24 PM - May 2, 2019 (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 02 May, 2019 11:46 pm

James Felton
✔
@JimMFelton

Boris Johnson (former mayor and current resident of London) tweeted that he just voted in the local elections.

He deleted when he was informed that there are no local elections in London today.https://www.politwoops.co.uk/p/conserva ... 0092032000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
7,671
9:24 PM - May 2, 2019

(Politics Live, Guardian)

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 03 May, 2019 1:02 am

Labour are haemorrhaging remain voters.

Greens doing remarkably well so far.

Can't say I'm remotely surprised.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 03 May, 2019 1:08 am

On the local news here in Leeds Labour are getting their excuses in early.

Apparently they're claiming their voters haven't come out because 'it was raining at tea time'.

Yeah, that's why I didn't vote for you, water from the sky.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Fri 03 May, 2019 1:23 am

Labour council leader in Sunderland on TV bemoaning his loss of seats to Lib-Dems and Greens claiming people are protesting at Labour not respecting the brexit vote.

Honest to god.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 4:23 am

Walking back from work and attempting to cover old habits die hard though it appears only for myself

Arch Tory Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg might not be delighted by the fact that he has a new Lib Dem councillor. Dave Wood has beaten council leader Tim Warren in Bath.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 5:48 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... h-councils" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 5:53 am

Labour lose Hartlepool,Wirral,Bolsover.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 5:54 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 6:02 am

Lost 13 in B,Tories now represented ,first time in over thirty years.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 6:07 am

Both parties getting a kicking,basically

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 6:33 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng ... h-councils" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The numbers are changing too quick for the image I posted to be meaningful

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 03 May, 2019 6:38 am

Not getting rid of the 1 and 2p's.Usual patronising bullshit of "vulnerable"Tories have a desperate need to feel superior.