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Friday 3rd May 2019

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Morning all.
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Good-morning, everyone.
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In case you missed it

Stoke-on-Trent
PARTY COUNCILLORS +/-
Labour 16 -5
Conservative 15 +8
UKIP 0 -2
Independent 13 -1
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Re: Friday 3rd May 2019

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Labour will have the most seats on Stoke-on-Trent City Council - but no party will have overall control.
All the results are now in and the final result is: 16 seats for Labour, 15 for the Conservatives, 12 for the City Independents and one non-alligned independent.

The Tories only had seven seats before yesterday's local election.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/st ... il-2826510" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Morning.

Mainly rolling my eyes at misinterpretations, wilful or otherwise, of the council results.

Given some counts haven't started yet it all seems rather hasty!
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HindleA wrote:In case you missed it

Stoke-on-Trent
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Labour 16 -5
Conservative 15 +8
UKIP 0 -2
Independent 13 -1
I didn't
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Take a look at the number of votes meaning a loss or gain in Stoke wards

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning.

Mainly rolling my eyes at misinterpretations, wilful or otherwise, of the council results.

Given some counts haven't started yet it all seems rather hasty!
Wilful hastiness steamrolls over thoughtful consideration
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Everything you work for remains and nothing is wasted. Even the pain counts.
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CJA works both ways,the fact is replicated here the Tories are gaining
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There is no misinterpretation on a bloody awful night
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Bonnylad wrote:
What world does Johnson inhabit making him capable of doing this? That's a genuine question. What is the man thinking?
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citizenJA wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning.

Mainly rolling my eyes at misinterpretations, wilful or otherwise, of the council results.

Given some counts haven't started yet it all seems rather hasty!
Wilful hastiness steamrolls over thoughtful consideration
Very well put JA
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HindleA wrote:There is no misinterpretation on a bloody awful night
In our neck of the woods it was a tough night.
I've just told Mr citizen the news. He worked hard yesterday.
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Thank you, PfY
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HindleA wrote:There is no misinterpretation on a bloody awful night
Well my council haven't counted yet. Only 110 out of 248 have.
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There are citizens eligible to vote in Stoke who've never done it. They talked with the Labour party candidate telling him the Council ignores them and he's ready to do whatever he can to help and they know he's telling the truth. They're shy and don't follow politics. They don't want anyone to know they've never voted.
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If losing means you became PM with the main opposition party having a vanishingly small prospect of being in power anytime soon,Labour could do with losing.You can scream MSM etc as much as you want,fact is Labour aren't cutting it.
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HindleA wrote:CJA works both ways,the fact is replicated here the Tories are gaining
Why? How? I'm expressing genuine curiosity here. How can Tories be gaining? They're so jackass bad at leadership. Why do regular people vote for them?
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HindleA wrote:If losing means you became PM with the main opposition party having a vanishingly small prospect of being in power anytime soon,Labour could do with losing.You can scream MSM etc as much as you want,fact is Labour aren't cutting it.
This being so, what do we do?
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Just down the road (from Stoke, and from here)

Telford and Wrekin New council

Labour 36 (+8)
Conservatives 13 (-7)
Lid Dem 13 (-)
Ind 1 (-)
UKIP 0 (-1)
I still believe in a town called Hope
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adam wrote:Just down the road (from Stoke, and from here)

Telford and Wrekin New council

Labour 36 (+8)
Conservatives 13 (-7)
Lid Dem 13 (-)
Ind 1 (-)
UKIP 0 (-1)
:rock:
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I'd add that Telford and Wrekin voted leave 63/37, and I know there are always all sorts of things going on, and all sorts of local issues, but here is a piece of evidence that suggests that, at the most, people are taking Labour's position on the future as they choose to. If Sunderland's labour party are saying the problem is labour contemplating a second referendum how does that work in Telford? That Telford's leave voters are happy that the policy isn't clear? That seems unlikely - I think Jess Phillips quote is a pretty good one
Bravery is needed. If you combine kindness and effectiveness with a bit of grit most people will respect you even when they don't always agree.
What this election might mean - might, early days - is that there are labour voters out there who are prepared to look again at the lib dems as an alternative in the way that they did before 2010.
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Any news from the "Williamson Window Watch" (ie curtains open, or curtains closed)?
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From the G.

Sir John Curtice, the BBC’s lead election analyst, told the Today programme that his analysis suggested the Lib Dem surge was not being driven by support for a second referendum. He explained:

"The Liberal Democrats used to be the traditional party of protest. And then they went into coalition with the Conservatives and they rather lost that mantle.

It looks as though they are beginning to recover that mantle, particularly in areas where until recently they had quite a lot of strength.

But when you actually look, is there any evidence that the Liberal Democrats are doing better in remain areas than in leave areas? The truth is that the evidence seems to be lacking.

So it seems easier to interpret this as evidence of Liberal Democrats recovering from the coalition, being the party of protest, and that’s the basis of their success, rather than necessarily a rush of enthusiasm for the idea of a second EU referendum."
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adam wrote:I know there are always all sorts of things going on
Early indications are that 'there were all sorts of things going on' will be the outcome, ie no clarity has been gained. :roll:
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gilsey wrote:From the G.

Sir John Curtice, the BBC’s lead election analyst, told the Today programme that his analysis suggested the Lib Dem surge was not being driven by support for a second referendum. He explained:

"The Liberal Democrats used to be the traditional party of protest. And then they went into coalition with the Conservatives and they rather lost that mantle.

It looks as though they are beginning to recover that mantle, particularly in areas where until recently they had quite a lot of strength.

But when you actually look, is there any evidence that the Liberal Democrats are doing better in remain areas than in leave areas? The truth is that the evidence seems to be lacking.

So it seems easier to interpret this as evidence of Liberal Democrats recovering from the coalition, being the party of protest, and that’s the basis of their success, rather than necessarily a rush of enthusiasm for the idea of a second EU referendum."
It's probably a bit of both. Bath was a Libdem stronghold, moved to the Tories post Coalition, but since Brexit has swung heavily back to the Libdems both nationally & locally. Bath voted heavily for remain and it has also traditionally swung between Libs & Tories. Brexit seems to have delivered a particularly strong showing for the Libdems this time around. The Tories were crushed.

The results on the BBC website don't agree with the results on the council website, though, I don't know why. If the council results are accurate it looks like we lost a seat in Bath. My home village remains Labour however, and by a large margin. As I suspscted, the right wing Brexity vote was split several ways leaving the Tories trailing.
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adam wrote:I'd add that Telford and Wrekin voted leave 63/37, and I know there are always all sorts of things going on, and all sorts of local issues, but here is a piece of evidence that suggests that, at the most, people are taking Labour's position on the future as they choose to. If Sunderland's labour party are saying the problem is labour contemplating a second referendum how does that work in Telford? That Telford's leave voters are happy that the policy isn't clear? That seems unlikely - I think Jess Phillips quote is a pretty good one
Bravery is needed. If you combine kindness and effectiveness with a bit of grit most people will respect you even when they don't always agree.
What this election might mean - might, early days - is that there are labour voters out there who are prepared to look again at the lib dems as an alternative in the way that they did before 2010.
In the South West it's different. The Libdems take votes from the Tories round here, not Labour. Their resurgence could prove a big problem for the Tories if it's maintained into a general election. They only managed a majority in 2015 by cannibalizing their Coalition partners. With the Libdems bouncing back and Labour holding steady, the Tories are in trouble no matter how lacklustre Labour might appear in the classic Labour/Tory marginals.
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Ballot papers for the EP elections have arrived!

9 choices including The Yorkshire Party and English Democrats, who appear to be one family as the candidates are 4 people all called Allen.

Rather a contrast from our locals, 2 seats always tory, 2 incumbents standing, 2 Lib Dems & 1 despairing Labour who got our votes.
I'm not sure I would have thought to apply for postal votes, it got rolled over from the previous occupiers, but it certainly encourages voting, don't think I ever voted in the locals before.
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Willow904 wrote:---
In the South West it's different. The Libdems take votes from the Tories round here, not Labour. Their resurgence could prove a big problem for the Tories if it's maintained into a general election. They only managed a majority in 2015 by cannibalizing their Coalition partners. With the Libdems bouncing back and Labour holding steady, the Tories are in trouble no matter how lacklustre Labour might appear in the classic Labour/Tory marginals.
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Robinson must be terrible company
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Sky'sGoneOut's vote for Greens makes pivotal difference in local election.

Labour Party - 4,243
Greens - 701
Conservatives - 404
Liberal Democrats - 353
Alliance for Green Socialism - 185
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Whoop! Sheffield Gleadless Valley result in :

Name Description Votes
Dryden, John Liberal Democrats 257
Elliot, Lewis The Conservative Party Candidate 201
Hollingworth, Marv UK Independence Party (UKIP) 481
Jama, Nadia Labour and Co-operative Party 1595
Turpin, Paul Christopher Green Party 2514

My second non-Labour vote in thirty (mumble ) years... Paul missed it by 300 votes last time. Big swing !

Brexit ? possibly. Trees - definitely.

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Looking through the rest of the Leeds results it seems, despite bemoaning the tea time rain, Labour's vote has held up pretty well bearing in mind other results. They've lost one to the Greens, one to the Tories and two to the Lib-Dems while gaining none.

Turnout was 31%.
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Theresa May is determined to bind Labour in to the "Brexit" deal with almost every utterance today.
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The Conservatives are now close to having achieved a net loss of 600 seats. Labour are on a net loss of 75.

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Now -667 and -94 respectively, according to the BBC.
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Now -678 and -92.
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-704 and -78
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Hooray! Mark Gino François on the BBC.
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Apparently, he's "not a scientist".
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Well I am happy. For the first time in years Holme Valley South has elected a Labour councillor :-)
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That's good news.
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Lab lose Stockton :-(
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citizenJA wrote:That's good news.
It really was. Ours was the last seat to declare and by winning it Labour retained control of the Council :-)
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Lab lose Middlesbrough :-(
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Lab lose Middlesbrough :-(
Not a massive shock given the mayoral result there.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Lab lose Middlesbrough :-(
Not a massive shock given the mayoral result there.
Mansfield now on second recount of their mayoral vote.
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