Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th May 2019.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:15 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:21 am

Saigon Marmite spread for new Poet Laureate (5,8).

[Off topic]

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:23 am

I think. Or is the appointment of the Poet Laureate a political act?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 10:34 am

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/persona ... Fc?ocid=st" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The "unintended "fascistical policies continue,creating "indebtedness,care "crisis"(see plethora of similar anti accounting for disability/sickness needs or potential)deliberately.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 10:38 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think. Or is the appointment of the Poet Laureate a political act?

Not officially, no.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 10:58 am

Heh. The Falmouth Anchor website is having issues, after reporting people throwing fish at Carl Benjamin, with the headline "Super callous fragile racist sexist UKIP asshole" (a placard held by one of the protesters). http://www.falmouth-anchor.co.uk/2019/0 ... its-truro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:00 am

refitman wrote:Heh. The Falmouth Anchor website is having issues, after reporting people throwing fish at Carl Benjamin, with the headline "Super callous fragile racist sexist UKIP asshole" (a placard held by one of the protesters). http://www.falmouth-anchor.co.uk/2019/0 ... its-truro/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We might finally have a worthy successor to Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious (which is 19 years old!) https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/sp ... ago-today/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:01 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think. Or is the appointment of the Poet Laureate a political act?
Not officially, no.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:12 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/persona ... Fc?ocid=st

The "unintended "fascistical policies continue,creating "indebtedness,care "crisis"(see plethora of similar anti accounting for disability/sickness needs or potential)deliberately.

The Department for Work and Pensions said: “This change was voted on by Parliament in 2012 and means, for new claims from 15 May, only pensioners can claim Pension Credit.

The Tories and Libdems were very busy in 2012.

A truly catastrophic year for ordinary people, one way or another.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:20 am

Willow904 wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/persona ... Fc?ocid=st

The "unintended "fascistical policies continue,creating "indebtedness,care "crisis"(see plethora of similar anti accounting for disability/sickness needs or potential)deliberately.

The Department for Work and Pensions said: “This change was voted on by Parliament in 2012 and means, for new claims from 15 May, only pensioners can claim Pension Credit.
The Tories and Libdems were very busy in 2012.

A truly catastrophic year for ordinary people, one way or another.

Quite. With Vince Cable nodding it all through.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:31 am

Worse,IMHO former Libdem Ministers now bemoaning not only what they enacted but rigorously defended regardless if strictly under their remit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:33 am

There is compromise and there is wholesale adoption of what you knew to be pernicious.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 11:35 am

Regretfully accept as necessary and eagerly defend/pursue a fundamental difference.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 12:24 pm

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YW8CZPV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

APPG survey on ADULT Social Care

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 12:33 pm

LibDems getting a bit too cocky after their local election successes methinks.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 12:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:LibDems getting a bit too cocky after their local election successes methinks.

Yes when all they did really was partially recover from their complete wipe-out from 2010. So they are right to be pleased but definitely not triumphant!

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 11 May, 2019 12:41 pm

I have some sympathy with some Libdem principles, such as their consistent campaigning for more proportional representation and their liberal values, but their Achilles heel has always been their blindness to poverty. They don't see it and they don't understand it. A major flaw that deepened with the departure of Charles Kennedy and the rise of the Orange Bookers under Nick Clegg. The reality is that the economic liberalism of the likes of Clegg chimed with the aims of the small statism of Cameron and Osborne and consequently, in the scramble for power, the social liberalism and consequential support for redistribution of wealth epitomized by the likes of Kennedy was subsequently thrown under a bus. What is left is liberal without the social democrat and as such I suspect the blindness to poverty will continue to be a major flaw. In their ability to take votes from the right off the authoritarian and increasingly fascistic Tories I continue to have some sympathy for them as they have some positive attributes that I struggle to find at all in the modern Tory party but in their current guise I don't think the Libdems provide any answers for those on the left.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 1:09 pm

Waves in direction of Refitman,on assumption of at home.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 1:16 pm

HindleA wrote:Waves in direction of Refitman,on assumption of at home.

Wotcha

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 11 May, 2019 1:17 pm

(Train to Leeds)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 11 May, 2019 1:17 pm

Further to the above it's a difference between a commitment to equality in opportunities and a commitment to equality in outcomes. Only socialism pursues the latter. The Tories, of course, are committed to neither.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 1:33 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:LibDems getting a bit too cocky after their local election successes methinks.
Yes when all they did really was partially recover from their complete wipe-out from 2010. So they are right to be pleased but definitely not triumphant!

2015, but yeah.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 11 May, 2019 4:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:LibDems getting a bit too cocky after their local election successes methinks.
Yes when all they did really was partially recover from their complete wipe-out from 2010. So they are right to be pleased but definitely not triumphant!
2015, but yeah.

whoops yes 2015

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 6:14 pm

Well done to Salford City.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 11 May, 2019 6:38 pm

Good morfternoon.

Brexit party may get more EU election votes than Tories and Labour combined – poll

Opinium poll on European election voting intentions suggests surge of support for Nigel Farage’s party
(Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... bined-poll

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 6:40 pm

I smell push polling again.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:07 pm

Betteridge's Law, writ large?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:30 pm

Who is she, please?

Post by **refitman** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:Who is she, please?

That's the Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:43 pm

Thanks.

Blimey. Didn't recognise her. She's been repackaged.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 11 May, 2019 8:46 pm

Sorry - forgot to say

Writ large, indeed.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 11 May, 2019 9:20 pm

When I Google Liz Truss the first Google suggestion is 'Liz Truss cheese'. I can't think why...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 11 May, 2019 10:23 pm

Not pork?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 12 May, 2019 10:11 am

Welfare shake-up ‘will double number of children in poverty’

Adam Corlett, senior economic analyst at the Resolution Foundation, said that welfare cuts announced four years ago kicked in only last month. “These cuts are the culmination of a significant retrenchment of support with children,” he said. “The result is more children living in poverty. Absolute child poverty rose last year, and we expect relative child poverty to rise in the years ahead.”

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 12 May, 2019 10:32 am

John Smith passed away 25 years ago this morning (doesn't seem that long)

What might have been?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 12 May, 2019 1:28 pm

I was in college and it seems a life-time ago.

I particularly remember the rousing speeches he used to give about closing tax loopholes and clamping down on tax havens. Whether reality would have lived up to the rhetoric it's hard to say, but he certainly promised more than Blair ever did and it really is a shame we never got to see if he could have delivered on it.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 12 May, 2019 1:42 pm

RIP Bwian Walden.

(I'm sure he wouldn't have minded that)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 May, 2019 2:04 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.

Post by **adam** » Sun 12 May, 2019 2:23 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I think. Or is the appointment of the Poet Laureate a political act?
Not officially, no.

With the usual apologies to John Betmejan, John Dryden and Colley Cobber, do we have the first poet laureate who's written a properly great single? (Also time to be less sure about the 'political act' thing).

[youtube]SrhHOe4Ui34[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 2:42 pm

Anna Shechtman, the new queen of crosswords
Alex Moshakis

Anna Shechtman is something of a puzzle in the world of crosswords. Her razor-sharp questions have made her the breakout star of the grid. So give us a clue: how does she do it?
(Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019 ... crosswords

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 3:17 pm

My postal vote came with instructions that couldn't have been made more impenetrable if the Returning Officer worked for MI5 on commission. I showed it to someone else, and they would have got it wrong.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 3:23 pm

Anglo Nostalgia
The Politics of Emotion in a Fractured West
Edoardo Campanella and Marta Dassù
Description

Does not seek to judge the wisdom of Britain leaving the EU, but exposes nostalgia's great danger: the oversimplification of reality. Nostalgia has become a major force in global politics. While Donald Trump promises to 'make America great again', Xi Jinping calls for a 'great rejuvenation of the Chinese people', and a majority of Russians still mourn the Soviet Union. Now, hardline Brexiteers are yearning for a revival of the British Empire.

Despite its romantic flavor, nostalgia is a malaise--a combination of paranoia and melancholy that idealizes the past, while denigrating the present. This epidemic of mythicizing national history is shaping politics in risky ways, fueled by ageing populations, shifts in the global order, and technological disruption. Nowhere has more starkly epitomized this new age of nostalgic nationalism than Britain, where Brexiteers trapped in an idealized past are reviving calls for a political Anglosphere, founded on dreams of their buccaneering heritage and inherent connection with their true 'kith and kin'.

Drawing on psychology, political science, history and popular culture, Anglo Nostalgia analyses the rapid spread of this global phenomenon, before focusing on Brexit as a case study. Without seeking to judge the wisdom of Britain leaving the EU, Campanella and Dassù expose nostalgia's great danger: the oversimplification of reality, leading to unprecedented political miscalculations and rising geopolitical tensions.

Sounds like a very interesting read.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 3:26 pm

Brian Walden, former MP and TV broadcaster, dies aged 86

Presenter of ITV’s Weekend World was known for his robust political interviews (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... es-aged-86

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 May, 2019 4:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:My postal vote came with instructions that couldn't have been made more impenetrable if the Returning Officer worked for MI5 on commission. I showed it to someone else, and they would have got it wrong.

US electoral ballot travesties making it into print could only be useful if the intent was to confuse the electorate as much as possible.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 12 May, 2019 5:04 pm

Willow904 wrote:I have some sympathy with some Libdem principles, such as their consistent campaigning for more proportional representation and their liberal values, but their Achilles heel has always been their blindness to poverty. They don't see it and they don't understand it. A major flaw that deepened with the departure of Charles Kennedy and the rise of the Orange Bookers under Nick Clegg. The reality is that the economic liberalism of the likes of Clegg chimed with the aims of the small statism of Cameron and Osborne and consequently, in the scramble for power, the social liberalism and consequential support for redistribution of wealth epitomized by the likes of Kennedy was subsequently thrown under a bus. What is left is liberal without the social democrat and as such I suspect the blindness to poverty will continue to be a major flaw. In their ability to take votes from the right off the authoritarian and increasingly fascistic Tories I continue to have some sympathy for them as they have some positive attributes that I struggle to find at all in the modern Tory party but in their current guise I don't think the Libdems provide any answers for those on the left.

Almost ninety years ago, a Labour MP spoke in the House for the first time.

Mr. A. BEVAN
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I would not have intervened in this Debate, as this is my first effort, were it not for the fact that we have listened to some very extraordinary speeches from the benches opposite, and I think it is necessary to point out that this is the first example of what we are to expect in the form of collusion between the Tories and the Liberals in obstructionist tactics.
HC Deb 16 July 1929

The rest of his contribution is interesting reading.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 12 May, 2019 6:46 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Brian Walden, former MP and TV broadcaster, dies aged 86

Presenter of ITV’s Weekend World was known for his robust political interviews (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... es-aged-86

He had his flaws, but would have known how to handle the likes of Farage.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 7:35 pm

Keir Starmer: Brexit deal unlikely to pass without confirmatory poll

Exclusive: shadow Brexit secretary also warns Labour risks losing its remain voters

Starmer, a human rights lawyer for 20 years, is to be the key face of Labour’s EU elections campaign, which will be framed as a battle of values.

He said the poll on 23 May would be a fight Labour “cannot sit out” for tolerance and internationalism against populists such as Farage and Robinson.(Guardian)

That's a bit more like it!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -interview

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 12 May, 2019 8:23 pm

And I may or may not have had Marr's typically - but still startlingly - lightweight performance this morning in mind when making the above comment

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 12 May, 2019 8:45 pm

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 12 May, 2019 8:46 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And I may or may not have had Marr's typically - but still startlingly - lightweight performance this morning in mind when making the above comment

I missed it. Who did he have on? Please tell me that it wasn't Nigel Farage.

Edited to add -

PTO

Thanks to AnatolyKasparov.