Thursday May 23rd 2019

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 5:59 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -thinktank" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The point stands regardless of age and purpose.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 23 May, 2019 7:56 am

Shehab Khan
@ShehabKhan
Andrea Leadsom was supposed to be announcing the future business of the House of Commons tomorrow at 1030. This was supposed to include the WAB.

There's no one to do it now. She doesn't even had a deputy......
7:56 pm · 22 May 2019 ·

Checkmate?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:15 am

Willow904 wrote:
Shehab Khan
@ShehabKhan
Andrea Leadsom was supposed to be announcing the future business of the House of Commons tomorrow at 1030. This was supposed to include the WAB.

There's no one to do it now. She doesn't even had a deputy......
7:56 pm · 22 May 2019 ·
Checkmate?

If everyone who is offered the post refuses, then probably...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:33 am

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/28298" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:37 am

https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/stigma-research/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:40 am

" no policy, regulation or inspections will ever be effective if market driven care systems exponentially increase the risk that quality of care gets comprised at the altar of profit"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:41 am

"unless we face up to why our society “allows” people with learning disabilities to be demeaned and abused, not only in failing institutions and care homes but in many areas of everyday life, we will continue to collude with conditions in which persons with learning disabilities are viewed and treated as less than human"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 8:54 am

"unless society does much more to challenge disablism and learns to view persons with learning disabilities not primarily as people who can’t, defined by their limitations, but rather as people who like all of us have a rainbow of qualities, weaknesses and strengths. It is the deep-seated belief that people with disabilities are inferior and the associated disdain in which society holds them, that are at the root of both daily microaggressions and instances of horrendous abuse"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:06 am

lasting change will only come if people with learning disabilities lead the charge against the daily undermining of their equal status and rights. Change will only come if they lead the fight to be treated as equal and valued citizens, knowing that they can call on support from those without learning disabilities but ultimately controlling what that support looks like. It will only come, when societies accept that many of their members, for a host of reasons, learning disability or not, may need support and adjustments to the way things are usually done in order to contribute to their communities and achieve their full potential, and that this may well cost a lot of money. It will only come, when both we, as individual citizens and tax payers, and successive governments accept that the costs of offering high-quality support to persons with learning disabilities and their families, even when such support goes way beyond cost-free or low-cost reasonable adjustments, are part and parcel of what it truly means to be a civilised and equal society.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:07 am

Screw that, panel of experts,another review and an app.

Post by **adam** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:08 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
Shehab Khan
@ShehabKhan
Andrea Leadsom was supposed to be announcing the future business of the House of Commons tomorrow at 1030. This was supposed to include the WAB.

There's no one to do it now. She doesn't even had a deputy......
7:56 pm · 22 May 2019 ·
Checkmate?
If everyone who is offered the post refuses, then probably...

I wonder if Liddington will step up as acting LoH of that happens...

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:16 am

adam wrote:I wonder if Liddington will step up as acting LoH of that happens...

Quite possibly, though I suspect he's hoping for Acting PM

Post by **adam** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:31 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
adam wrote:I wonder if Liddington will step up as acting LoH of that happens...
Quite possibly, though I suspect he's hoping for Acting PM

I agree, but he's been Leader of the House before and if he were to do it this morning it would avoid her having to try to appoint a successor to Leadsome and have people turn her down.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:33 am

@HindleA

Labour Whips
@labourwhips

One UQ granted to @normanlamb at 1030 to ask @MattHancock if he will make a statement on the treatment of people with learning disabilities and complex needs at Whorlton Hall.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:34 am

adam wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
adam wrote:I wonder if Liddington will step up as acting LoH of that happens...
Quite possibly, though I suspect he's hoping for Acting PM
I agree, but he's been Leader of the House before and if he were to do it this morning it would avoid her having to try to appoint a successor to Leadsome and have people turn her down.

Well apparently they've got until 11.15 to figure it out now!

Thanks to the Urgent Question.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:37 am

Well, I've just voted in the EU elections.....and it was busy. Busy how, I can't say. When it was busy for the referendum it was people who don't normally vote turning out to vote leave. When it's been busy in the past it's been pensioners turning out to vote Conservative. Today's busy had neither vibe about it, more of a mixed bag. So we'll see.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:44 am

Willow904 wrote:Well, I've just voted in the EU elections.....and it was busy. Busy how, I can't say. When it was busy for the referendum it was people who don't normally vote turning out to vote leave. When it's been busy in the past it's been pensioners turning out to vote Conservative. Today's busy had neither vibe about it, more of a mixed bag. So we'll see.

Do you know when we hear the result?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 23 May, 2019 9:58 am

I must admit, inspired by Greta Thunberg and Extinction Rebellion, a big part of me was very drawn to voting Green. Except I don't want to not vote for Labour either. Claire Moody has been an excellent MEP and deserves to be re-elected. If I could vote for more than one party I would love to add my voice to the Green revolution, though. Dinosaurs in Corbyn's circle still going on about re-opening coal mines is one of the many things about Labour's current leader that irritates me. Knowing it's never going to happen doesn't undo the overall impression of having one foot stuck in the past. Labour needs to be much more forward facing if it isn't to lose touch with a younger generation looking for climate change answers for an uncertain future rather than old socialist answers for an industrial past.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 23 May, 2019 10:01 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:Well, I've just voted in the EU elections.....and it was busy. Busy how, I can't say. When it was busy for the referendum it was people who don't normally vote turning out to vote leave. When it's been busy in the past it's been pensioners turning out to vote Conservative. Today's busy had neither vibe about it, more of a mixed bag. So we'll see.
Do you know when we hear the result?

I think this one's a long one, as other countries will still be voting until next week so there's no point in hurrying. Sunday, maybe?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 23 May, 2019 10:04 am

Wonder how many people will think "They won't be there for very long, so why should I bother voting?"

Of course if Brexit was cancelled they could end up being there for years...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 10:04 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:Well, I've just voted in the EU elections.....and it was busy. Busy how, I can't say. When it was busy for the referendum it was people who don't normally vote turning out to vote leave. When it's been busy in the past it's been pensioners turning out to vote Conservative. Today's busy had neither vibe about it, more of a mixed bag. So we'll see.
Do you know when we hear the result?

Sunday night\Monday, I believe.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 10:10 am

Good morfternoon.

Britons have started voting in the European elections. The polling stations opened about two hours ago and, as usual, they will stay open until 10pm. But, because most other EU countries do not vote until Sunday, the votes will not be counted until Sunday night. (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 10:59 am

Sky News says that Graham Brady will allow another confidence vote if Theresa May doesn't, tomorrow, name a date for her departure.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 23 May, 2019 11:07 am

I seem to recall that Gordon Brown was jeered at for 'clinging on to power' and 'refusing to leave No 10' when, in fact, he was acting correctly and staying in office as PM (as we can't not have one) until such time as the talks about who was to govern had concluded with Clegg et al.

Funny old world...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 23 May, 2019 11:14 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:I seem to recall that Gordon Brown was jeered at for 'clinging on to power' and 'refusing to leave No 10' when, in fact, he was acting correctly and staying in office as PM (as we can't not have one) until such time as the talks about who was to govern had concluded with Clegg et al.

Funny old world...

Clegg actually wanted him to stay another few days so he could try for more concessions from Cameron, but Brown had had enough.

The "squatting in Number 10" stuff (started by Paul Staines IIRC) was indeed a genuine disgrace.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 12:58 pm

Broadcasters in legal bind over reporting on Tory crisis during election

To complicate matters further, the outcome of the European election result in the UK is not declared until the rest of the EU finishes voting at 10pm on Sunday, putting more restrictions on broadcasters. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... strictions

Deliberate (on the part of the Conservative Party), of course. Devious, aren't they?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:17 pm

Not the "D"I was thinking of.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:17 pm

Not telling.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:18 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Broadcasters in legal bind over reporting on Tory crisis during election

To complicate matters further, the outcome of the European election result in the UK is not declared until the rest of the EU finishes voting at 10pm on Sunday, putting more restrictions on broadcasters. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... strictions

Deliberate (on the part of the Conservative Party), of course. Devious, aren't they?

Well strictly speaking its the doing of the PM rather than the Tory party in this case, given that most of them now want her gone as well

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:27 pm

Vermin styled mess is appointed Leader of the House (6,6).

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:28 pm

Good afternoon, everyone.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:33 pm

Hancock not there.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:34 pm

I've just noticed this - Prof. Richard Evans has given JRM's The Victorians a really good duffing-up...

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/bo ... ans-review" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There's a superb list of who JRM has ignored to focus on his political figures but it's followed by this...

The one non-Westminster figure discussed is the cricketer WG Grace, included mainly because, “as every Englishman knows”, more than any other sport, “cricket at its best captures the soul of the nation. Fair play, etiquette and gentlemanly behaviour.”

Except that anyone with any knowledge of the game knows that Grace wasn't above a bit of cheating and gamesmanship from time to time...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:35 pm

Reports are coming in from across the country of EU nationals turning up at polling booths and finding their names crossed out and being told by officials they are not eligible to vote.

EU citizens in UK complain of being denied right to vote

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:40 pm

@PfY,excellent

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:41 pm

The apt anagram,clarification.

Post by **adam** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:42 pm

Loan Charge Devon MP Mel Stride Hammered In Report

A parliamentary report has said the Devon MP and Government Minister Mel Stride has been deliberately dishonest and misleading about the Loan Charge.

From a fine looking website called 'The People's Republic of South Devon'.

Post by **adam** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:43 pm

HindleA wrote:The apt anagram,clarification.

Smelt dire?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 23 May, 2019 1:55 pm

Willow904 wrote:I must admit, inspired by Greta Thunberg and Extinction Rebellion, a big part of me was very drawn to voting Green. Except I don't want to not vote for Labour either. Claire Moody has been an excellent MEP and deserves to be re-elected. If I could vote for more than one party I would love to add my voice to the Green revolution, though. Dinosaurs in Corbyn's circle still going on about re-opening coal mines is one of the many things about Labour's current leader that irritates me. Knowing it's never going to happen doesn't undo the overall impression of having one foot stuck in the past. Labour needs to be much more forward facing if it isn't to lose touch with a younger generation looking for climate change answers for an uncertain future rather than old socialist answers for an industrial past.

Very much agree with that last bit.

I voted Green, Yorks & Humber, but if we still lived in the North East I would most likely have voted Labour, not least because Kirton-Darling is a family friend, though I don't know her personally.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:00 pm

HindleA wrote:"unless we face up to why our society “allows” people with learning disabilities to be demeaned and abused, not only in failing institutions and care homes but in many areas of everyday life, we will continue to collude with conditions in which persons with learning disabilities are viewed and treated as less than human"

Dinenage:
'We won’t tolerate having people out of sight and out of mind. Where someone with a learning disability or an autistic person has to be an inpatient out of area, they will be now visited every six weeks if they are a child or every eight weeks if they are an adult.'

six weeks

They hardly even pretend to care.

Just close these places.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:03 pm

I didn't/couldn't bear to watch that Panorama programme.
Mr gilsey says it was on in the pub and a local man who has a slight learning disability said he'd been in there and it was just like that.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:05 pm

The coal mines thing was an offhand comment by Corbyn not long after he got the leadership, I think some have given it rather more importance than it deserves tbh.

The widespread support the Labour left have given to the Green New Deal matters rather more, really.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:14 pm

Here is an extract from a story Gabriel Pogrund and Tim Shipman wrote earlier this year.

Mel Stride, a Treasury minister, has hosted dinners at his home in recent weeks during which he has made the case for Gove, gathering a cadre of supporters from different wings of the party should he decide to run.

The role of Stride, who runs the Deep Blue group of traditional Tories, as a cheerleader for Gove was so shrouded in secrecy that some MPs believed he was running for leader himself.

Stride further muddied the waters by hosting a dinner a week ago on behalf of the leadership team of Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary. (Politics Live, Guardian)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:14 pm

You can call it a "hospital" and "therapy" but it is incarceration with varying degrees of torture.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:18 pm

I know we did this earlier, but

A disturbing picture is emerging of EU citizens in the UK being denied their democratic right to vote in the European parliament elections taking place today because of administrative errors by local councils. (Politics Live, Guardian)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 23 May, 2019 2:53 pm

Yeah, it's worth posting again.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 3:18 pm

Gavin Williamson backs Boris Johnson for Tory leader (Politics Live, Guardian)

Post by **adam** » Thu 23 May, 2019 3:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Gavin Williamson backs Boris Johnson for Tory leader (Politics Live, Guardian)

But keep it under your hat.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 4:24 pm

I've got to have a lie-down. So, before I do -

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 23 May, 2019 4:24 pm